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Saint John East Provincial by election (New Brunswick)

Adam T
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Unofficial List of Candidates

Provincial Electoral District has submitted candidate names.

(11/17/2014) 

   Saint John East

Shelley Rinehart Liberal Party

Glen Savoie Progressive Conservative Party 

Dominic Cardy New Democratic Party 

Sharon Murphy N.B. Green Party 

Arthur Watson People's Alliance of New Brunswick

 


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Adam T
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1.Shelley Rinehart Liberal Party

Saint John Deputy Mayor

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/shelley-rinehart-named-liber...

Rinehart is a professor at the University of New Brunswick in Saint John and has a PhD in business administration.

2.Glen Savoie Progressive Conservative Party 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/glen-savoie-seeks-saint-john...

former MLA 2010-2014

 firefighter, city councilor

​Savoie, who lost the Sept. 22 election by nine votes, is now running in the riding's byelection after the winner, Liberal Gary Keating, resigned citing health and family reasons.

3.Dominic Cardy New Democratic Party

Party Leader?

http://www.westmanjournal.com/news/international/new-brunswick-ndp-leade...

4.Sharon Murphy N.B. Green Party 

2014 election candidate

Murphy's family has lived in the Saint John region for generations. She is currently working for her family's manufacturing business in East Saint John.

http://greenpartynb.ca/en/news-events/media-releases/708-sharon-murphy-r...

5.Arthur Watson People's Alliance of New Brunswick

Arthur Watson is 43 and operates a small business in Saint John.

http://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/people-s-alliance-of-new-brunswick-names-cand...

 

 


Caissa
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Word on the street is that Savoie will take it easily.


terrytowel
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Caissa wrote:

Word on the street is that Savoie will take it easily.

That makes me sad because I really wanted Cardy to win and get in the legislature.


Debater
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The NDP finished 3rd in this riding in the election, so it's always been unlikely that Cardy would win it, particularly since he had already resigned as leader last month and then oddly decided to take another kick at the can a couple weeks later.

Would not be surprised if the PC wins.  Would like it to go Liberal, but after the close result last month, perhaps the voters are fed up with the antics of their very brief Liberal MLA who quit a day after being elected.


terrytowel
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This is one case where I would say "If you want to stop the Conservatives, you cannot vote Liberal"


Caissa
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Prediction of order: 1. Savoie; 2. Cardy; 3. Rinehart; 4. Murphy; 5. Watson


Stockholm
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If the NB Liberals come in third in SJ East so soon after winning power it suggests that Gallant's honeymoon is over before it even began...it also reduces the Liberals to a 1 seat majority in the leg - meaning they better hope no one else dies or quits and sparks another byelection!


Caissa
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My understanding is that the electorate is very annoyed about Keating's resignation.


robbie_dee
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When do polls close and will live results be available online?

Debater
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PC's have won.

Liberals 2nd.

NDP 3rd.

Not surprised the PC's won.  I predicted above I thought that would happen.  I'm not surprised that voters were annoyed at their new Liberal MNA quitting after only one day.

Here's what Don Mills says about the Dominic Cardy situation: 

https://twitter.com/DonMillsCRA/status/534526266163339264


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(PC) Glen Savoie 2,225,

(L) Shelley Rinehart 1,398

(NDP) Dominic Cardy 1,099

(G) Sharon Murphy 262

(PA) Arthur Watson 38


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terrytowel wrote:

This is one case where I would say "If you want to stop the Conservatives, you cannot vote Liberal"

Funny it turned out to be the other way around. Wink If the NDP Cardy votes had gone to Rinehart, the Liberals would have beaten the PC's.

But I don't really mind, to be honest.  It doesn't change the balance of power.  No point in getting upset at the vote split.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/pc-glen-savoie-wins-saint-jo...


Adam T
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I don't know who Don Mills is, but this is what he tweeted: "Have to wonder about Dominic Cardy's decision to parachute into East #SaintJohn bye-election. Results speak for themselves. #nbpoli"

 

Yes, because the NDP surely would have won the by election with a different candidate.


Caissa
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NDP + Green, + People's Alliance out polled Rinehart by 1 vote.

The Libs and the NDP both ran the best candidates tey could under the circumstances.


terrytowel
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I was really hoping Cardy would win the seat. Really disappointed for him.


Caissa
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He never had a chance. He was essentially running against an incumbent in the case of Savoie.


Pierre C yr
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3 times is enough Dominic needs to go Federal. Not sure it should be in NB tho.


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Adam T wrote:

I don't know who Don Mills is, but this is what he tweeted: "Have to wonder about Dominic Cardy's decision to parachute into East #SaintJohn bye-election. Results speak for themselves. #nbpoli"

Yes, because the NDP surely would have won the by election with a different candidate.

Don Mills is the head of CRA polling - the most reputable Maritimes pollster & very well-known.  He's the one that was attacked by [former] PC Premier Alward last month before the New Brunswick election.


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I agree with part of the first part of Pierre's statement: 3 times is enough, Dominic needs to go...


Stockholm
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Will the New Brunswick NDP shrivel back to Allison Brewer low single digits levels without Cardy or can they survive? Is there anyone else in that party who can pick up where Dominic Cardy left off?


Pierre C yr
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NB has never been fertile ground for the NDP. Its one of the poorest provinces yet remains stalwart right wing. Its a bit of that republican thing where poor southern states keep voting them in against their own interests. The liberals here are dyed in the wool blue. IMO the lack of literacy and consequent lack of civic involvement along with a strong penchant for traditional politics that often runs in families condemns this province to a few more years if not decades of regressive politics.

 

Dominic should goto a province where he has a chance of getting elected to federal office. Hes too good a candidate to waste in unwinnable ridings.

 

 


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Fundamentally, New Brunswick is not very different than Nova Scotia... and the same things were said about here, before 1997.

Nova Scotia has some bigger demographic pockets that had the characteristic of being fertile territory before the NDP vote was anything more than single digits and low to mid-teens. But NB has those too- and it has the huge swath of Acadian population. [Yes they dont vote NDP now, but the demographics and value orientations are favourable.]

Frankly, a lot of it has to do with making the breakthrough to credibility. And there is no magic recipe for that- you just have to do it [and maybe, likely, not according to plan... just persistent application].

And having a 1 seat beachead gets you love, but zero credibility as a party than can win. Even 2-3 seats for 3-4 elections straight did not do it for the NSNDP.... which is why Alexa quit. She knew she had done a good job, but she also knew that it just was not working for getting further. [Ironically, her movement to the national scene provided the final push that set the 1998 NSNDP wave in motion. Doubly ironic as it turned out, since after towing in those Atlantic MPs into office in her wake, she never really fitted as a national leader.]


KenS
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If Dominic wants to run federally, he is still best off in Fredricton. There is nowhere in NS he would fit that the NDP would have more than a faint hope of winning.


Caissa
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Proportional Representation would solve the problem of  proper representation in NB.


terrytowel
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In the last election a few months ago, wasn't there ANY riding Dominic would have been a good fit for?

What about the provincial ridings that over-lap the federal riding of Yvon Godin's?

Wasn't there one in there that Dominic could have run in? Using Yvon list of committed supporters?


Caissa
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To answer your questions in order: no, no,no,no.


terrytowel
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Why not? Why couldn't Yvon campaign with Dominic in a prov riding that overlaps his fed riding?


Caissa
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Sure let's parachute an Anglophone into this primarily Francophone riding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloucester_County,_New_Brunswick


KenS
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The question was where Dominic could run federally. Not about where he could best run provincialy. That is done. Finished.


Pierre C yr
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KenS wrote:

Fundamentally, New Brunswick is not very different than Nova Scotia... and the same things were said about here, before 1997.

Nova Scotia has some bigger demographic pockets that had the characteristic of being fertile territory before the NDP vote was anything more than single digits and low to mid-teens. But NB has those too- and it has the huge swath of Acadian population. [Yes they dont vote NDP now, but the demographics and value orientations are favourable.]

Frankly, a lot of it has to do with making the breakthrough to credibility. And there is no magic recipe for that- you just have to do it [and maybe, likely, not according to plan... just persistent application].

And having a 1 seat beachead gets you love, but zero credibility as a party than can win. Even 2-3 seats for 3-4 elections straight did not do it for the NSNDP.... which is why Alexa quit. She knew she had done a good job, but she also knew that it just was not working for getting further. [Ironically, her movement to the national scene provided the final push that set the 1998 NSNDP wave in motion. Doubly ironic as it turned out, since after towing in those Atlantic MPs into office in her wake, she never really fitted as a national leader.]

 

What I see Ken is the occasional candidates like Godin and Weir who won wby the strength of their personalities and long deep local roots. People seem to quickly return to their voting patterns once those  people are gone.


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