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Unfit for work: the startling rise of disability in America

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In the past three decades, the number of Americans who are on disability has skyrocketed. The rise has come even as medical advances have allowed many more people to remain on the job, and new laws have banned workplace discrimination against the disabled. Every month, 14 million people now get a disability check from the government.

The federal government spends more money each year on cash payments for disabled former workers than it spends on food stamps and welfare combined. Yet people relying on disability payments are often overlooked in discussions of the social safety net. People on federal disability do not work. Yet because they are not technically part of the labor force, they are not counted among the unemployed.

In other words, people on disability don't show up in any of the places we usually look to see how the economy is doing. But the story of these programs -- who goes on them, and why, and what happens after that -- is, to a large extent, the story of the U.S. economy. It's the story not only of an aging workforce, but also of a hidden, increasingly expensive safety net.

For the past six months, I've been reporting on the growth of federal disability programs. I've been trying to understand what disability means for American workers, and, more broadly, what it means for poor people in America nearly 20 years after we ended welfare as we knew it. Here's what I found.


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6079_Smith_W
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Interesting; I like the doctor's rule of thumb, though I expect he might amend it for degrees that don't tend to get one a job. I wonder too how much of the change is due to better awareness and testing, and changes in health over time.

Also, I expect Utah may be at the bottom of the list because the Mormon church has its own welfare system, with its own food processing and canning factories to support it.


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6079_Smith_W wrote:
Interesting; I like the doctor's rule of thumb, though I expect he might amend it for degrees that don't tend to get one a job.

Strictly speaking, it's not his rule of thumb.  SSA's own regulations have a grid (called the vocational-factor rules) that dictate a more liberal definition of disability for those with little education, as compared to those with good education. The rules also make distinctions based on age (more liberal for older, naturally) and work experience.

By the way, just in case this isn't clear, doctors don't decide who is disabled and who is not. The Social Security Administration decides, based on the law and a set of very complex rules. Doctors merely provide medical evidence that SSA considers. (Fine point: SSA contracts with the states to make initial decisions and reconsiderations. They must follow SSA's rules.)

Even then it's not as black and white as you might expect.  Otherwise there wouldn't be as many law firms advertising as "Social Security Disability Advocates" who simply spend their time challenging the SSA's determination.

 

 


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abnormal wrote:

 Otherwise there wouldn't be as many law firms advertising as "Social Security Disability Advocates" who simply spend their time challenging the SSA's determination.

Why doesn't that surprise me.

They'd challenge which direction the sun comes up in the morning if they thought there was a buck to be made. I have seen enough of that in the states, with ads that make it sound like you should WANT to get in a car accident.

I guess the other side of this question is what support one can hope to get if one is classified as disabled.

 


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6079_Smith_W wrote:

abnormal wrote:

 Otherwise there wouldn't be as many law firms advertising as "Social Security Disability Advocates" who simply spend their time challenging the SSA's determination.

Why doesn't that surprise me.

They'd challenge which direction the sun comes up in the morning if they thought there was a buck to be made. I have seen enough of that in the states, with ads that make it sound like you should WANT to get in a car accident.

I see ads for this outfit on the television all the time.

www.binderandbinder.com

obviously there is money to be made (by them if not by their clients).

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I guess the other side of this question is what support one can hope to get if one is classified as disabled.

Depends what you mean by "support" - if you mean a monthly check from Social Security, they'll get that.  If you mean help getting off of disability, forget it.  Ain't gonna happen.  As the article points out, once someone is on disability, especially if they're older, they rarely get off.

One of the things I found disturbing in the article was the number of kids on disability and what it means to their family if they get off of it.  The example given is a (supposedly) normal kid who was on disability but who is now doing well in school - the family has a problem - if the kid does well in school he'll be moved off of the disabled list and the $700 a month he receives will stop - unfortunately that's a significant part of the family's income.

 


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From the article:

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In the meantime, federal disability programs became our extremely expensive default plan. The two big disability programs, including health-care for disabled workers, cost some $260 billion a year.

People at the Social Security Administration, which runs the federal disability programs, say we cannot afford this. The reserves in the disability insurance program are on track to run out in 2016, Steve Goss, the chief actuary at Social Security, told me.

Goss is confident that Congress will act to keep disability payments flowing, probably by taking money from the Social Security retirement fund. Of course, the retirement fund itself is on track to run out of money by 2035.

Goss and his colleagues have worked out a temporary fix under which the retirement and disability funds will both run out of money by 2033. He says he hopes the country will have come up with a better plan by then.

Reality is there isn't enough money and even the smartest actuary in the world couldn't fix this mess [in fairness, if he had a time machine and could go back to when the programs were set up there might be hope].

I don't find this particularly shocking. SS isn't adequately funded by any standards applicable to insurers who sell annuities; why would the disability part be any better? I see anecdotal evidence that the job market is getting better but people who might qualify for disability, whatever the reason, are probably going to have difficulty benefiting from it.

 


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Interesting how back pain has increased four-fold since 1961, given that there must be fewer jobs requiring hard manual labour these days. Perhaps it's the rise in obesity that is causing all this back pain.

The rise in diagnoses of mental illness might reflect a reduction in stigma rather than any real increase (impossible to say I concede).

abnormal wrote:
The example given is a (supposedly) normal kid who was on disability but who is now doing well in school - the family has a problem - if the kid does well in school he'll be moved off of the disabled list and the $700 a month he receives will stop - unfortunately that's a significant part of the family's income.

A physician on an American healthcare forum said that at least part of the rise in autism diagnoses was to help families get coverage for a troubled child. The DSM-IV diagnosis of "Autism Spectrum Disorder NOS" (not otherwise specified) is a flexible catch-all for many sorts of problem behaviour.


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Sineed wrote:

Interesting how back pain has increased four-fold since 1961, given that there must be fewer jobs requiring hard manual labour these days. Perhaps it's the rise in obesity that is causing all this back pain.

Hard to say I know that when I worked as a carpenter the trade had moved from wearing carpenters overalls that transferred the weight of tools and nails to ones shoulders to the waistline tool belt that is back destroying.  I ended up with a bad back despite belatedly adding a set of heavy duty suspenders to my tool belt. So in that one trade it was a change in tool belt and not obesity that caused a very large spike in back trouble.

I suspect the ergonomics of many modern jobs is to blame. If you use a shovel to dig a hole it is hard work however you stay in shape but if you drive a front end loader it leads to back problems because of the constant sitting without getting any exercise.


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Sineed wrote:
A physician on an American healthcare forum said that at least part of the rise in autism diagnoses was to help families get coverage for a troubled child. The DSM-IV diagnosis of "Autism Spectrum Disorder NOS" (not otherwise specified) is a flexible catch-all for many sorts of problem behaviour.

To be clear you're posting from a Canadian point of view.  When an American talks about obtaining coverage for something, they're talking about making sure their medical plan covers the "illness" in question.  That's completely distinct from the question of qualifying for disability.


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You can't blame people for being creative in their responses to Capitalism.


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Sineed wrote:
The rise in diagnoses of mental illness might reflect a reduction in stigma rather than any real increase (impossible to say I concede).

 

I really don't think that's the case. The stigma may not be as strong as it once was, but I don't think it's been reduced enough to account for the increase in diagnoses of mental illness. It's still not something people want to be identified with.

I think NBA player, Royce White, is onto something:

Royce White: [...]the problem is growing, and it's growing because there's a subtle war — in America, and in the world — between business and health. It's no secret that 2 percent of the human population controls all the wealth and the resources, and the other 98 percent struggle their whole life to try and attain it. Right? And what ends up happening is that the 2 percent leave the 98 percent to struggle and struggle and struggle, and they eventually build up these stresses and conditions.

Chuck Klosterman: So … this is about late capitalism?

Royce White: Definitely. Definitely.


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kropotkin1951 wrote:

Sineed wrote:

Interesting how back pain has increased four-fold since 1961, given that there must be fewer jobs requiring hard manual labour these days. Perhaps it's the rise in obesity that is causing all this back pain.

Hard to say I know that when I worked as a carpenter the trade had moved from wearing carpenters overalls that transferred the weight of tools and nails to ones shoulders to the waistline tool belt that is back destroying.  I ended up with a bad back despite belatedly adding a set of heavy duty suspenders to my tool belt. So in that one trade it was a change in tool belt and not obesity that caused a very large spike in back trouble.

I suspect the ergonomics of many modern jobs is to blame. If you use a shovel to dig a hole it is hard work however you stay in shape but if you drive a front end loader it leads to back problems because of the constant sitting without getting any exercise.

Thank you for your knowledgeable response, Kropotkin. I also think that sitting too much (in any job) contributes to back pain, especially when people sit at their jobs all day, then come home and sit at their computer for several more hours. IMV the kind of sitting done at home before recreational computing was more healthy, like in the 70s when we'd get home from school, and my folks would get home from work, and after dinner we'd sprawl like chimpanzees in the livingroom to watch TV. None of this sitting upright in an office chair at home. A physiotherapist told me a few years ago that the human body doesn't take staying immobile in one position well; we are healthier if we vary our bodily positions, even if it isn't actual exercise.

 


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I want to add that, while perhaps well-intentioned, I think stories like this are problematic in that they feed into the idea that people on disability are scammers just looking for a free ride. It's a dangerous idea, especially in a climate of austerity. Here in Ontario, even the NDP seems to be on board with converting the provincial disability support program into a workfare program.


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onlinediscountanvils wrote:
I think stories like this are problematic in that they feed into the idea that people on disability are scammers just looking for a free ride. It's a dangerous idea, especially in a climate of austerity.

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A misleading NPR report has become fodder for a right-wing media campaign to scapegoat federal disability benefits, despite the fact that the rise in disability claims can be attributed to the economic recession and demographic shifts, and that instances of fraud are minimal.

NPR reported that the rise in the number of federal disability beneficiaries was "startling" and claimed it was explained by unemployed workers with "squishy" claims of disability choosing to receive federal benefits rather than work. Right-wing media called the report "brilliant," and used it to further the myth that the increase in the number of individuals receiving disability benefits reveals fraud in the system.

Breitbart.com's Wynton Hall wrote that NPR's "eye-opening" piece uncovered a disability program "fraught with fraud." Fox Nation promoted the piece with the headline, "Every Month, 14 Million People Get a Disability Check from the Government..." The National Review Online's blog called the piece "brilliant," while the Washington Examiner's editorial offered it as evidence that disability benefits provide "a voluntary life sentence to idle poverty." The Drudge Report linked to the NPR story and to the Breitbart.com article

Right-Wing Media Hype NPR's Myth-Filled Disability Report


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How 'This American Life' got the disability story wrong

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Last week, NPR's This American Life and Planet Money featured "Unfit to Work," a story from reporter Chana Joffe-Walt, which implies that lots of people are receiving Supplemental Security who don’t deserve the help and that children, particularly, are being enrolled at alarming levels, often for questionable disabilities. The right-wing media of course picked up the story and ran with it. Policy wonks furthered it and called for reform.

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There's a huge piece missing out of Jaffe-Walt's story as well, that she misses right here, when she's talking about laid-off mill-workers: "I talked to a bunch of mill guys who took this [disability] path—one who shattered the bones in his ankle and leg, one with diabetes, another with a heart attack. When the mill shut down, they all went on disability."

Heart disease, diabetes and a shattered ankle. In the real world, those are called pre-existing conditions. In the real world, the only jobs available to these men are low-wage jobs that don't provide health insurance. Heart disease and diabetes are conditions that require regular trips to the doctor, prescriptions and medical expenses. The cheaper alternative for them, and for a nation with a broken health care system, is to have them receiving $13,000 a year in disability income and regular medical care. Another piece missing from the story is the large population of disability recipients there because of mental impairments and mental illness. Where once they'd have been institutionalized, either in hospitals or prisons, they're now living on their own with the help of disability payments; again, a cheaper alternative for government than housing them.

What the story did that was of service was to put a focus on a dysfunctional economy that has no place in the workforce because they are too old, too sick or otherwise “obsolete.” That should have been the story Jaffe-Walt told, instead of an alarmist, incomplete and mythical picture of another "entitlement" gone out of control.

 

Misleading “Trends with Benefits”

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The cleverly titled story, “Trends with Benefits” is gracefully presented and gets some things right. It depicts with human texture some unpleasant realities facing millions of displaced workers with health difficulties whom our economy has left behind. With the exception of nutrition assistance, our safety-net has failed to keep pace with the Great Recession. Disability assistance has naturally filled the gap. SSI and SSDI expenditures have correspondingly increased. This is an important story.

Still, I fear the misimpressions this piece leaves behind.

 

Media Matters: This American Life Features Error-Riddled Story On Disability And Children


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Robert Whitaker writes about the explosion in the numbers of the disabled mentally ill in his Anatomy of an Epidemic.  I haven't read far enough into the book to get at the guts of his argument but I've certainly made some observations of my own here in British Columbia.  I think, often, those with a psychiatric diagnosis are trained to be disabled.  The system seems to want obedient, compliant consumers shuffling in for their injections and waiting for their disability cheque.  I think the clients are easier to deal with that way.  And my own family, though I love them dearly, puts not so subtle pressure on me to stay out of the work force.  I really disagree with this because I think the two hallmarks of recovery are living independently and being self-supporting.  I've been on CPP disability for years and would really like to get back to work.  It's hard to explain away a ten year gap on my resume, however, and it's a tough economy to find work in at the moment.  I imagine a lot of the disability numbers represent people who could go back to work but simply can't find employment.


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Read the whole thing if you get a chance. It's the most thorough debunking of this story that I've seen.

unfit to air

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“There’s no such thing as a neutral story. But there is such a thing as an honest story.”

How did NPR end up repackaging extreme right-wing talking points into a week-long series claiming to tell the “hidden” truth about disability’s explosive growth in our recession economy? Journalist Chana Joffe-Walt says she spent six months “reporting on the growth of federal disability programs” and trying to “understand what that meant.”  She gets it almost all completely wrong, down to the beautifully-colored graphs.

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Since the series aired, experts have rushed to document the facts and urge corrections: the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities here, here, and here; the Center for Economic and Policy Research here and here; the Shriver Center here; law professor James Kwak here; Media Matters here; disability rights activists here; and legal services advocates here. Over 120 organizations have signed on to a call for NPR to retract the series, and to top it off, no less than eight former commissioners of the Social Security Administration wrote an open letter outlining their “significant concerns,” saying they “could not sit on the sidelines and witness this one perspective on the disability programs threaten to pull the rug out from under millions of people with severe disabilities.”

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How then, could a reporter, and three different NPR brands spend so much time and effort on something that is so wrong? To start, in all her research and airtime, Joffe-Walt quoted only three experts, and they share one narrow, controversial perspective.

It turns out that Joffe-Walt’s reporting very closely tracks a set of talking points disseminated by a handful of linked think tanks and echoed by astroturf groups.  The same talking points showed up late last year in Nicholas Kristof’s NY Times columns asserting that Kentucky parents were purposely preventing their children from learning in order to preserve their SSI benefits (this was largely debunked, and subject to a critical response by the Times’ Public Editor). A few years ago a story from the Baltimore City Paper hit all the same “surprising” insights that Joffe-Walt did, down to a similar section on obscure companies that help identify people who may qualify for disability assistance.  (And in the mid-90s, there was a startlingly similar media frenzy which led to a staggering number of children losing their benefits before being revealed as based in fantasy and anecdote more than fact.)

There is, of course, a particular agenda at work here: the dismantling of the social safety net.  Policy papers and op-eds like the following, with similarly misleading statistics and examples and calling for “reform” of SSDI and SSI, have been issued by the libertarian Cato Institute, the conservative American Enterprise Institute and Heritage Foundation, as well as the more centrist Center for American Progress and Brookings Institution.  These are consistently based on work by Joffe-Walt’s main sources, the economist team David Autor and Mark Duggan, as well as Mary Daly, another economist she cites later in the series, and Daly’s partner Richard Burkhauser.

Despite what Joffe-Walt claimed, this isn’t hidden or new information: the same actors have been saying the same things for years. They’d like to radically restructure these disability programs, turning them into private insurance products or block granting them to the states along with reduced funding, sometimes questionably recast as “waivers.” And this think tank echo chamber is heavily subsidized by Peter G. Peterson, a billionaire investor who has spent hundreds of millions of dollars to dismantle Medicare, Social Security, and recently the disability programs that are the subject of the NPR series.

Right while Joffe-Walt’s pieces were airing, Washington was poised to weigh these very issues. The dollars Peterson spends to promote deficit fearmongering help manufacture a budget crisis (the fiscal cliff, “Fix the Debt”), but Mitt Romney’s loss signaled popular support for raising revenue from the rich who have paid too little in taxes, and against the logic of austerity.  In a calculus designed to get those tax measures through, Obama again is testing the waters to see if he can get away with proposing a budget that includes some cuts to the social safety net.  While Democratic lawmakers have pushed back, they may be looking for an excuse to give in.  In the midst of these decisions, Joffe-Walt’s piece seeds questions about whether the disability programs are too generous, whether some undefined number of people really don’t need them, whether some cuts to SSDI and SSI might not be so bad.

And, despite the fact that she provided little real evidence for her borrowed thesis, Joffe-Walt’s series immediately went viral. It’s a neat package, and everyone can see what they want in it (a changing economy that should force us to face hard truths, for some, and proof of the freeloading we always suspected, for others). It’s on right-wing TV shows, blogs, websites, newspaper columns, and the websites of the same think tank sites that generated the misleading information in the first place. They all love the series. Next month the think tanks have a conference scheduled on the very topic, funded by Peterson’s foundation, and Joffe-Walt’s reporting will surely be used in Congressional hearings before long. This is what expert propaganda looks like.

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She talks to Jahleel, who she says is disabled “in the eyes of the government.”  Based on chatting with him about his favorite school subjects, she says: “Jahleel is a kid you can imagine doing very well for himself. He is delayed. But given the right circumstances and support, it’s easy to believe that over the course of his schooling Jahleel could catch up.” Okay, we’re imagining. She then insinuates that Jahleel’s mom might hold back his improvement, despite wanting him to do well in school, to keep the money coming (she won’t be able to help herself!). This is based on nothing, except possibly more imagining. Joffe-Walt is not a doctor, or a social worker, or a teacher, and unless she is psychic, she is in no position to assess the needs and capabilities of this real boy whose picture and name she uses for her own ends.

But she doesn’t stop there. Instead, she  used Jahleel to expound on “some basic things we’d all agree on”  about the care of our children:

Kids should be encouraged to go to school. Kids should want to do well in school. Parents should want their kids to do well in school. Kids should be confident their parents can provide for them regardless of how they do in school. Kids should become more and more independent as they grow older and hopefully be able to support themselves at around age 18.

Yes, we can all agree on that. Then Joffe-Walt drops the hammer:

The disability program stands in opposition to every one of these aims.

Think about that sweeping declaration. Good people of this country who care about kids like Jahleel, her logic follows, need to change the way this program functions – it means well but is actually hurting our children. Moments like this in the series struck many listeners, sparked their interest and concern, and are a part of why it went viral.

Again, there is one main problem. The disability program does not do any such thing.  Her statement is indefensible.  You could line up over a hundred groups that work with disabled people and a bunch of former Social Security Commissioners to tell you that her conclusion is baseless – and of course that’s exactly what happened once the piece aired (remember those letters?).  In the face of such criticism, This American Life’s Ira Glass proclaimed that every line spoken by Joffe-Walt was fact-checked, leaving you to wonder what this fact-checking involved if it left in place lines like that, so horribly and disastrously wrong.

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In order to tell these stories, to actually do real reporting, we need to talk to the people we are talking about.  It’s sadly ironic that a maxim of the disability rights movement is the phrase “nothing about us, without us.”  Instead of those voices, Joffe-Walt’s listeners got a retired Alabama judge, a man who did not himself rule on disability cases, explaining how he could just tell whether a man he ran into on the street was really disabled. This reveals more about attitudes towards disability than it does about disability itself.


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This thread misses several important points. 1) In most long term workplaces, particularly unionized workplaces, individuals with different types of chronic disabilities are protected ;often through seniority. Many would never be hired outside those workplaces. When the workplaces close the fuller extent of their disabilities become apparent. 2) 50 years ago people with mental health disabilities were locked up in psychiatric hospitals. Over the following decades people with severe perceptual and cognitive impairments live in the community, often with little support. If their thinking is unpredictable they are often not useful "enough" for most competitive employment and end up on disability. 3) As people age disabilities become harder to manage. Also over time many people acquire additional layers of impairments. It is completely predictable that as the baby boom ages more people will be unable to sustain most ordinary competitive employment. 4) as the labour market changes to caring types of contract work providing just in time labour employers only hire completely able workers and sustaining employment requires individual workers to have sufficient emotional stamina, perseverance, and cognitive agility to sustain a life of perpetual contract searches and job interviews. Many individuals are unable to meet or sustain this kind of work life, falling into marginality. It is possible to reframe being unable to adapt to the brutality of perpetual short term contract as combinations of cognitive and physical impairment, dismissing people as unemployable. For the individual if the choice is welfare or disability benefit, disability benefits are better because they are often slightly more money.


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Good points.

I think what you've described in point #4 is particularly not understood or acknowledged by many. I think it's these folks - the ones who don't "have sufficient emotional stamina, perseverance, and cognitive agility to sustain a life of perpetual contract searches and job interviews" - who will be hit hardest if Ontario adopts the proposals in the Lankin and Sheikh Commission.


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oda, thanks a lot for the material you brought to this thread.


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I see the push for disability "reform", both here and in the States, as a matter of life and death, so I'm happy to share some critical analysis to the conversation, CF. What I find especially odious is that the concepts of 'equality' and 'disability rights' are being used disingenuously to support the dismantling of our already porous social safety net, which has regrettably given it a foothold with some progressives.


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In the UK over 1/2 of all the people who had been on disability support benefits who had been deemed fit remained unemployed and destitute.Altos Scandal:Benefits Boss admits over half of people ruled fit end up destitute look to Daily Record co.uk

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You're absolutely right, Sarah. It's a glimpse of what's about to hit us here.

Socialist Project: Austerity Agenda Targets the Disabled

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A vast array of austerity measures has been introduced by the British Government and many of these impact poor and disabled people. These have included the merging of jobless and disabled benefits and a huge, privatized effort to reassess disability claims so as to rob people of their benefits en masse. A September 26, 2012 article in the British Daily Record reported that the Department of Work and Pensions had admitted that, of those who had by then been cut off disabled benefits, 55 per cent were without work or income, 30 per cent were existing on the jobseekers allowance and a mere 15 per cent were employed. As this unfolds, one British Tory MP has openly called for the introduction of a sub minimum wage for the disabled.

The sheer viciousness of the way the British Government has hounded disabled people can be found in another British media report dealing with people in Scotland living with Motor Neurone Disease (MND). This neurological condition causes loss of ability to walk, speak or even breathe without assistive devices and it leads to death, usually within fourteen months. However, the British Department of Work and Pensions has determined that ‘terminal illness’ will only be defined as conditions that will claim your life within a six month period. If you are expected to live longer than that, you will be required to take ‘fitness to work’ tests and be subject to the infamous ‘bedroom tax’ imposed on April 1 of this year. This has meant MND sufferers have been cut off benefits and lost their housing.

Similar attacks are now being developed in the United States and a glance at media coverage there shows that a veritable campaign is underway to ensure disabled people are targeted. As early as February 12 of last year, we find an online article with Business Insider entitled “The unemployed are now going on disability and it's costing the Government billions.” The idea being put forward is that a stagnant U.S. economy is creating a lot of long term jobless and many of them are avoiding precarious welfare programs by registering claims for disability with an overly lax system. They are not, it is asserted, really disabled but a population of hidden unemployed who need to be flushed out from their dishonest place of refuge and comfort.

This is the context in which the Liberals are planning major changes to social assistance in [Ontario]. They have now held power for a decade and, during this time, have allowed poverty to intensify. In the last period, they have fully embraced the austerity agenda and have begun to fashion their own version of it here in Ontario as their recent Budget demonstrates.

Given this Government's track record and the directions being taken in the UK that I have described, it is an appalling miscalculation to see something positive in the above mentioned Lankin/Sheikh Report. This document does not press for income adequacy for people on ODSP and for barriers to accessing the program to be removed. Rather, it is all about creating a system of disability benefits that judges everything by standards of ‘employability’ with a maximum drive to low waged work as its dominant consideration. They go so far as to advocate the setting up of ‘employer's councils’ to assist in the process.


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Why I'm skeptical of the growing number of disability beneficiaries by Dr. David Mokotoff

http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2013/03/skeptical-growing-number-disability-beneficiaries.html

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If you guessed that this case was unusual, you would be wrong. I have seen hundreds of middle-aged patients who appear healthy enough to hold down a job, yet are receive Medicare and SSD for diagnoses like fibromyalgia, chronic low back pain, post –traumatic stress disorder, multiple sclerosis, and chronic fatigue syndrome, (to mention just a few.) And yet the truly disabled often have a difficult time qualifying for these benefits. I have many patients who at young ages cannot work, although they might want to, due to advanced and severe heart disease. They never get SSD before they died. I do what I can to help these folks with forms, attestations, etc.; but in my experience they don’t get it until they retain a SSD attorney to help them appeal denials and navigate the bureaucratic morass of applications and hearings.

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The fraud and the inequities of the system are staggering. How much? At the end of 2011, there were 10.6 million Americans collecting SSDI, up from 7.2 million in 2002. In a 2006 analysis by economists David Autor and Mark Duggan wrote that the most significant factor in the growth of SSDI usage had been the loosening of the SSDI screening process that took place following the signing into law of the Social Security Disability Reform Act of 1984. This act directed the Social Security Administration to place more weight on applicants’ reported pain and discomfort, relax screening of mental illness, consider multiple non-severe ailments to be disabling, and give more credence to medical evidence provided by the applicant’s doctor. These changes had the effect of increasing the number of new SSDI awards and shifting their composition towards claimants with low-mortality disorders such as mental illness and back pain.

So the rise in disability may be reflective of more diagnosis rather than any actual pathology. 


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I have seen hundreds of middle-aged patients who appear healthy enough to hold down a job, yet are receive Medicare and SSD for diagnoses like fibromyalgia, chronic low back pain, post –traumatic stress disorder, multiple sclerosis, and chronic fatigue syndrome, (to mention just a few.) And yet the truly disabled often have a difficult time qualifying for these benefits.

'Appear' being the operative word. If this guy's a cardiologist, what the hell qualifies him to assert that someone with these conditions is not "truly disabled"?

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no one from the government will be snooping around the SSDI beneficiary’s home to see evidence of fraud, like washing their car, playing golf, fixing a roof, hauling hay, etc.

For a doctor, this is guy is shockingly obtuse. None of those activities are necessarily "evidence of fraud", nor indicative of an absence of disability.

This is just pro-austerity propaganda. It's disgusting that this shit is being posted here, on babble, in the Disability Forum, for fuck's sake.


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onlinediscountanvils wrote:

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I have seen hundreds of middle-aged patients who appear healthy enough to hold down a job, yet are receive Medicare and SSD for diagnoses like fibromyalgia, chronic low back pain, post –traumatic stress disorder, multiple sclerosis, and chronic fatigue syndrome, (to mention just a few.) And yet the truly disabled often have a difficult time qualifying for these benefits.

'Appear' being the operative word. If this guy's a cardiologist, what the hell qualifies him to assert that someone with these conditions is not "truly disabled"?

I agree. This is really offensive. Clearly, anyone suffering from the listed conditions must be a welfare bum slacker.


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Hmm, I agree here with both ODA and FA.

Also if this doctor's main concern is his patients are not receiving disability benefits quickly or at all that is a problem with the system and not reflective of the people who are already on it.

I do, as ODA and FA have, question this doctor's ability to really discern between these questions.

Not to speak for Sineed, but I do think Sineed was not trying to support a pro-austerity agenda here and instead adding information for consideration -- I'm hoping. But, articles like this, again to echo ODA, while well intentioned for the debate, are problematic and also don't really fall in line with babble policy and also within the context of the thread's discussion. 


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Not to speak for Sineed, but I do think Sineed was not trying to support a pro-austerity agenda here and instead adding information for consideration

Yes, that is it. I posted this link for a couple of reasons. First of all, the doctor gives a rational explanation for why there has been a rise in disability claims: namely, an expansion in the definition of what constitutes disabled. Considering this thread is about the shocking rise of disability in America, an article that offers an explanation for why this is happening is exactly the topic of the discussion, no?

Also, I posted it to give the perspective of a health care provider. This physician's experience is similar to mine. The sad fact is, when it comes to disability claims, there is a staggering amount of fraud. I see a lot of healthy young men collecting disability for various reasons, often "severe crippling lower back pain," and when I phone their physicians saying, are you sure about this, they say, "If you think MY PATIENT is faking, call the police." Then they leave the clinic and sell their Oxycontin to their friends waiting outside before riding their bicycles home. It's at the point where many of us who work in health care think more disabled people are scammers than are not. And disability activists should be outraged about all the disability fraud because it means that real disabled people get crap benefits for one, and also, it means that the people who really need assistance get treated like criminals when they try asking for help.


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Sineed wrote:

I see a lot of healthy young men collecting disability for various reasons, often "severe crippling lower back pain," and when I phone their physicians saying, are you sure about this, they say, "If you think MY PATIENT is faking, call the police." Then they leave the clinic and sell their Oxycontin to their friends waiting outside before riding their bicycles home. It's at the point where many of us who work in health care think more disabled people are scammers than are not. And disability activists should be outraged about all the disability fraud because it means that real disabled people get crap benefits for one, and also, it means that the people who really need assistance get treated like criminals when they try asking for help.

This is an attack on disabled people.  Most people on disability are not fucking scamming the system.  That is not to say their are no fraudsters collecting disability but just that if is no bigger a problem than say tax cheats.  The idea that you are spreading this nonsense about a collusion between doctors and scammers is an attack on poverty.  As a workers advocate I heard that bullshit all the time from insurance companies and employers who didn't want their rates to go up.  However most of the cases that crossed my desk where fraud was claimed turned out to be just false accusations.  Strangely it was never managers on disability that were accused of cheating only workers.

I found your post an attack on the poorest and most marginalized in our society.  Your subjective view of the people you supposedly serve is very problematic.  You see what you want to see. By the way what I don't understand is what job you have that would make you think you have the right to phone a doctor and inquire about their diagnosis of someone. Phoning their doctors is treating people like criminals so I guess the caution at the end of your diatribe is a self fulfilling prophecy.


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Sineed wrote:

... and when I phone their physicians saying, are you sure about this, they say, "If you think MY PATIENT is faking, call the police." Then they leave the clinic and sell their Oxycontin to their friends waiting outside before riding their bicycles home. It's at the point where many of us who work in health care think more disabled people are scammers than are not. 

Do you call the police, Sineed? Would it be more effective to contact CPP Disability or whoever is the provider? You make a good point that every scammer makes it harder for those who genuinely need and are entitled to the help.


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Kaitlin McNabb wrote:
I do think Sineed was not trying to support a pro-austerity agenda here and instead adding information for consideration

Fine, but why do we need more right-wing talking points to consider? Since when have all points of view - no matter how reactionary - been welcomed on babble?  This blog post was from March - exactly the same time as Planet Money and NPR were teaming up with conservative thinktanks to soften the public to accept/support the idea of dismantling Social Security. This didn't just happen randomly. There's an agenda being pushed here. This doesn't add any more information than Colin Powell holding up a vial of anthrax at the UN.


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