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Trudeau's campaign of fear and lies
October 11, 2015 - 12:30pm
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Lets go through them:
Justin Trudeau attacked Tom Mulcair for promising cuts but according to the Liberals plan for balanced budgets, so "if revenues failed to materialize as desired, cuts would have to be made." in 2019 McCallum the Knife said "nothing is off the table" when it came to their plans to cut. Trudeau should have included himself in his attack The media is very bais and fail to report this. They have helped the liberals by giving them a free ride.
Justin Trudeau accuses Tom Mulcair of 'austerity' over balanced budget pledge
Trudeau said NDP Leader Tom Mulcair believes a single vote — 50 per cent plus one — should decide whether Canada remains united, thereby resurrecting the ghost of a divided Canada not seen since the 1995 vote on Quebec secession.
"The divisions that referendum (sewed) and the pain that it caused Canadians must not be repeated,'' said Trudeau, standing alongside Chretien.
"Mulcair? He wants to roll the dice. He wants to put separation back on the table and turn the clock back 20 years, which means all of Thomas Mulcair's experience in politics has simply taught him one thing: to play politics with anything and everything, including the unity of this country to gain a few votes from separatists.''
For the bit on cuts. You have argued that the Liberals will cut too. You have not established that the Liberals are wrong (were lying) that Mulcair will make cuts.
For the bit on separation: You have failed to show how Trudeau has misrepresented Mulcair's position (how is this lying - correct me if I'm wrong but Mulcair does support he position that 50%+1 should be enough to start secession talks, right)?
Notice how Trudeau is opposed to universal daycare saying it will give money to the rich. Same argument market fundamentalists use to oppose universal healthcare. But then again he hired market fundamentalist Kevin Milligan to write his platform. If people thought Harper was bad, just wait until they experience a decade of The Economist Party running the country (into the ground.)
After another decade of Tough Tory Times (40 years in a row by then,) Canadians will seek Real Change (40% of them anyways) by ushering in a new Neo-Con decade.
It's called freedumb and dumbocracy!
good point
Yeah. The LIberals are infinitely more dangerous than the Harpercons. Next to JUstin,Harper is a fucking liberal. Yeah.I can dig it.
It's also the same argument we heard against the tuition freeze in Manitoba when it was in effect.
The liberals are always in it for themselves. Thats why they would never agreed to be in a coalition because the NDP would have a chance to be in the government's role. The liberal's only objective is to make sure canada stays a 2 party system and win power at all cost.
Video: Trudeau Says He Would Tell Putin Off 'To His Face' If Elected
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/news-video/video-trudeau-says-he-wou...
As per promptings from the Ukrainian Canadian Congress ultranationalist lobby and their remote-controlled Liberal hawks Chrystia Freeland and Boris Wrzesnewskyj, more Russophobia and Putin-bashing are the order of the day. Although all parties are similar on this, and know that such nonsense works wonders on brainwashed Canucklheads, if elected, Liberals promise to be even more aggressive and anti-Russian than Stephen Harper, including pushing to arm the US Ukronazi proxies in Kiev.
And the NDP is in it for the exact same reason. They want to replace the Liberal party with themselves. They only tacked left because they saw the writing on the wall.
Funny how myths spread.
The problem is not "daycare" (by which I assume you mean child care - ever hear of shift workers?). It's Harper's monthly cheques, which are not about child care - they were promised in 2005-6 as a replacement for child care, under the theory that we don't need a nanny state to tell parents how to raise their kids. And the problem was - and is - that both the Liberals and the NDP were too chickenshit to say: "Why are we sending baby bonus cheques to parents - we were supposed to create child care, to free people (mainly women) to participate more fully in society and the workforce if they want to? This is a waste of money."
So, we're left 10 years later with: 1. No child care. 2. Cheques in equal amounts going to rich and poor alike, with no strings attached. "Free" money, to the tune of billions. And no one with the guts to say: "Stop the baby bonus - and use the winnings to create actual, like, you know, child care."
In Québec, we have public and subsidized $7/day child care (which the Liberal government is now starting to erode). We managed that by funding, duh, like, you know, child care. Not handing out "free" money.
Harper's cheques are not a "social program". The equivalent would be this: Cancel medicare, and send every citizen a $1,000 "health care" cheque per month - spend it as you please. Healthy? Lucky you! Sick but hard up for cash? You're good too!!
So Trudeau - even though he's too cowardly to say, "let's have like an actual public universal social program called child care", is actually spot on when he condemns Mulcair for wanting to continue to send Harper's cheques to millionaires. Trudeau's solution is wrong - but not to recognize the grain of truth is unacceptable.
Another liberal lie is that Mulcair flipped flopped on TPP.https://www.liberal.ca/mulcair-does-it-again-flip-flops-on-tpp-pipelines/
Mulcair is not playing politics and pandaring to separatists with repealing clarity act. The NDP’s position is spelled out in the 2005 Sherbrooke Declaration, which states that the party “would recognize a majority decision (50 per cent +1) of the Québec people.”
Another Liberal lie.
It's just dishonest. They show a 16 second clip where he says he's open to a good trade deal with "our Pacific partners", and then edit out the rest where he says he has no faith that the TPP that Harper is currently working on will meet the NDP's standards for approval, citing supply management as an example. Here's the full video:
http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Politics/ID/2673107312/
Especially coming from a political party that claims to be the champions of national unity while never passing up a chance to take shots at my region of the country for political gain in Ontario.
Another unsuprising fact is that the CTV news repeated and reported the same edited clip and lie created by the liberal party.
CTV is awful. I remember when they showed outtakes from that interview with Dion, breaking a promise that they wouldn't. Nasty stuff.
So maybe some of the Liberal posters here are actually representative of that party after all.
its sad that the two parties that lied the most and used fear the most in this campaign are the two parties who will win the most votes and seats. this speaks volumn about the state of our democracy.
Takeitslowly, you haven't yet explained how either of these things are lying? I am not seeing how it is Trudeau who is the one running a dishonest campaign these days, and would appreciate if you can enlighten me because I remain unconvinced.
How about this little ad implying that the NDP will make cuts and ends before Thomson can actually say what kind of cuts he will make?
I feel like the thread title is a bit to tepid. Can a mod please change it to "Trudeau's campaign of fear and lies and squalour and hate and terrible hair"?
Thx.
Once again, it has been claimed that one of Trudeau's "lies" is that the NDP will make cuts. I'm not saying the Liberals haven't claimed that the NDP will make cuts. I'm also not saying the Liberals won't make cuts. I'm not even saying making cuts is a bad thing. I'm saying that there has been no evidence provided to suggest that the Liberals are lying when they say the NDP will make cuts.
Well Catchfire, that made me laugh! LOL!
One thing is for sure, I don't see any chance of reconciliation between New Dem and Lib. Trudeau's remarks claiming Jack's mantel nailed that coffin closed, and its been downhill from there.
Rather than show Thomson's actual answer to the question, the clip cuts off and leaves the impression that the NDP will make the same kind of cuts that Harper make to program spending. To allow people to have this impression while not including Thomson's response to Barton's question is dishonest and misleading, as the Liberals are trying to shape opinion based on information that was deliberately edited out of that clip.
If the title of the thread was "Trudeau is being a hypocrite" and cited the Liberal's criticism of the NDP's "inevitable cuts", with some reasonable evidence that the Liberals would also make cuts, I wouldn't have taken issue with that.
Oh brother.
That seems right -- of course a Liebral could have said the same thing -- the Liberals have already outlined a couple of their cuts. Thomson was explaining how budgeting works not a specific stateemnt that there would be cuts. The Liebral ad is very poor as people can see the difference between the posturing and the actual statement. I guess they only focus-grouped this to partisans.
ROFLOL
P.S. Catchfire, I'm tenacious not obstinate.