Is the US and its NATO "allies" planning to attack Russia and start World War III?
Many think that the US is planning to attack Russia DIRECTLY in the future.
Anyone not brainwashed (like the zombified Russophobic elements in Ukraine) knows that, at the very least, a second Cold War, based on fabrications and speculation about Crimean independence, Russian troops "invading" Ukraine to support the resistance in Novorossiya, and the shooting down of the Malaysian airliner over the war zone has already begun. Huge US pressure on its obsequious EU and NATO allies has caused these countries enormous and expensive sanctions, costing them billions, against Russia. Meanwhile, Russia has "pivoted" eastward, towards China, the BRICS countries, and away from the aggressive Yanqui Empire.
Is this scare-mongering or a real danger? Is this an idea that should be ridiculed, as some babblers have already done, or examined seriously as a significant global danger.
Unless you think thermonuclear war is a laughing matter, which some babblers obviously do, then the subject looks to be worthy of serious investigation.
more to follow ..
1. Here is a Russian domestic news and politics program (use CC to get English subtitles) discussing "America's declaration of war"
US declaration of war - a Russian perspective
The program is a remarkable contrast to much of the shallow, 20-sec soundbite approach that we see in the corporate media here in Canada and the US. Is is also good for the calm elaboration of the many reasons why the US attack on Russia is inevitable, as seen from the Russian perspective. See if you don't agree.
2. Here is S. Lavrov at the UN recently, speaking truth to power.
"Pardon us for having the temerity to exist and get in the way of your military bases ..."
Lol..Let's hope so.
The American military can hardly handle 'insurgents' in the desert.
Russia allied with China would crush the American Empire.
No worries.
No worries? really?
Self-Assured Destruction: the climate impacts of nuclear war
(The above is a 9-page pdf file. )
“The Russian Aggression Prevention Act” (RAPA): A Direct Path to Nuclear War with Russia
There will be no war, currently there is a Russian Military Aircraft sitting in Winnipeg Airport as part of Operation Open Skies.
I even said "Hi" to a few of the crewmen tonight, nice friendly guys overall.
I even got a few pictures of the aircraft sitting next to my building.
Yes. I am very serious.
That's the difference between academics/political theorist and the truth on the ground.
I get your point and agree. I just think you are being a bit gracious with the reference to political theorists. From the department of tinfoil studies at the university of crackerjack, perhaps?
They have produced a wealth of scholarship I know, even if they are a bit challenged in the timekeeping department:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events
I know if I was planning a sneak attack on Russia obviously the first thing I would do is pass a major piece of legislation letting everyone know.
They are literally unable, or unwilling, to distinguish between the Soviet Union (their enemy) and today's capitalist Russia (their "friend"). Kill them all and let God sort them out. This is US foreign policy towards Russia, even today.
I would remind babblers that the Lockian (yes, that John Locke) ideology that land "undeveloped" no longer belongs to its inhabitants was a justification for the physical extermination of First Nation in North America, the theft of their land since time immemorial, and all the ugly history that followed. This is the same as the view of Russia being quoted here. I don't see any difference between this view, of a spokesperson for Yanqui imperialism, and the view of the Nazis who needed "breathing room" to expand, etc. They're all genocidal.
Break up of USSR and today's strategy ... is the same.
Why War is Inevitable
from May 2014 - outlines the Brzezinski and Wolfowitz Doctrines that guide US policy very well.
Incidently, those who provide anecdotal or spuriously unrelated couter-examples should also be aware that soldiers are expected to carry out the policies as directed by political leaders. Commen sense among soldiers does not translate into common sense among political leaders. This is ABC but somehow it needs to be repeated.
I realize that there are many elements of the decision-making in our own country that make Canada a kind of fake democracy, that the tail wags the dog sometimes, that economic powers outside the political leaders makes the latter mere figureheads, and so on, but for the nonce these very same leaders have the power and ability to do great harm and, indeed, start wars and conflicts that will end human life on Planet Earth.
Undoubtedly the political leaders in the USA and Russia have this power. The Russian President seems keenly aware of this while the US leader seems determined, by design or stupidity, to lead us all over the precipice. It would be nice if, instead of school boy ridicule and such, there was actually serious debate about this life and death issue. However, no matter how juvenile the replies, I think this thread can serve a useful purpose and, therefore, unless the school boys succeed in derailing the thread, it will continue. boo rah.
Yes, useful. Absolutely. But if it goes sideways you can always open another one to go along with the eight Russian politics threads you have started in recent months that are still all open.
(or revive one of your older ones like Litvinenko)
Maybe you can start one on that magical Russian air that cleanses people of western corruption, and has the power to turn tax-evading French actors straight. That could be why the Americans are in such a hurry to invade.
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/oct/10/russian-air-purified-depardi...
Which one do you dislike the most? I'll bet it's the one on Ukrainian atrocities and war crimes, right?
Non sequitur: In a non sequitur... the argument is fallacious because there is a disconnection between the premise and the conclusion.
I don't know if dislike is the right word, but since you ask, I probably waste the most time in the first Ukraine thread playing whack-a-mole with stupid shit that has been repeated and corrected a dozen times.
But I am curious. We already have an evil NATO thread. Two, if you count the one about why we should leave it, and three if you count the unipolar world one. Four if you count Russophobia. Is this one special because it is supposed to be live coverage leading up to the big day?
Are you referring to my posts?
http://www.osce.org/library/14127?download=true
"The Treaty established a regime of unarmed observation flights over the territories of State Parties. It specifies, inter alia, quotas for observation flights, the notification of points of entry, the technical details and inspection for sensors."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Open_Skies
"The Treaty on Open Skies entered into force on January 1, 2002, and currently has 34 States Parties. It establishes a program of unarmed aerial surveillance flights over the entire territory of its participants. The treaty is designed to enhance mutual understanding and confidence by giving all participants, regardless of size, a direct role in gathering information about military forces and activities of concern to them. Open Skies is one of the most wide-ranging international efforts to date promoting openness and transparency of military forces and activities. The concept of "mutual aerial observation" was initially proposed to Soviet Premier Nikolai Bulganin at the Geneva Conference of 1955 by President Dwight D. Eisenhower; however, the Soviets promptly rejected the concept and it lay dormant for several years. The treaty was eventually signed as an initiative of US president (and former Director of Central Intelligence) George H. W. Bush in 1989. Negotiated by the then-members of NATO and the Warsaw Pact, the agreement was signed in Helsinki, Finland, on March 24, 1992. "
http://cns.miis.edu/inventory/pdfs/oskies.pdf
Treaty Provisions: The Treaty establishes the Open Skies regime for the conduct of short-notice, unarmed, observation flights by States Parties over the territories of other States Parties. The Treaty gives each State Party the right to conduct and the obligation to accept observation flights over their territory. The Treaty establishes a "passive quota" for each State Party, which is the total number of observation flights that each State Party is obliged to accept over its territory, and an "active quota," which is the number of observation flights that a State Party shall have the right to conduct over the territory of each of the other States Parties. A State Party's "active quota" cannot exceed its "passive quota," and a single State Party cannot request more than half of another State Party's "passive quota." Annex A details the specific numbers for both quotas. The Treaty entitled the States Parties to form groups and redistribute their "active quotas," and to have common total "active and passive quo-tas."US Tanks Arrive in Latvia To Ward Off 'Perceived' Russian Threat (and vid)
http://rt.com/news/196504-tanks-nato-latvia-deployed/
"The commander of the 1st Brigade of the 1st Cavalry Division, John D Giambattista said, ' This is more than just a training mission. This is more than just a trip across the Atlantic. This is more than a multinational training exercise. This is how we demonstrate our nations' commitment to reassure our NATO allies,' Reuters reports.
This is one of the largest placements of US military forces into part of the former Soviet Union.
'This is a demonstration of our solidarity and resolve,' said former NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen...'Should you ever think of attacking one ally, you will be facing the whole alliance,' the former Danish Prime Minister added."
Will US-Russia Tensions Lead to New Cold War Era (and vid)
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/10/16/382499/where-are-usrussia-ties-...
"Tensions are running high between Russia and the US as Vladimir Putin hits back at Barack Obama for his rhetoric at the UN General Assembly.
This edition of The Debate interviews Tony Gosling, an investigative journalist from London and Lawrence J Korb, the former US assistant secretary of defense from Washington, to analyze recent developments..."
I don't think there's any threat of a direct U.S. attack on Russia, now or anytime in the future, precisely because it would set off a thermonuclear war. The United States may be a agressive imperialist power, but I see no evidence that it's suicidal.
Stephen F. Cohen is someone whose writings you approve of, correct?
http://www.thenation.com/article/181399/patriotic-heresy-vs-new-cold-war
Much of what he says in there I agree with, though some of it is nonsense.
Nowhere in there does he say that he thinks the U.S. is planning a direct attack on Russia
I believe war against Russia is inevitable as well. This is why they're working toward effective first strike capabilities, such as hypersonic weapons and missile defence systems. Planning for future capitalistic growth will necessarily have to include every square inch of the planet. This thing we call our 'economy' is not going to just stop gorging on its own at some point when it feels full enough. Additionally, during the course of the last decade alone, the North American and European political establishments have produced some of the worst criminals the world has ever known, and it seems as if standards in that regard are always being superseded by the next cabals to take office. As well, Leon Panetta outlined the US plan to initiate the use of nuclear weapons against North Korea. Similar plans for other nations around the world are part of the US nuclear doctrine and have been for decades. War can come anytime after the western oligarchs can be convinced by advances in technology that they and what's theirs can be protected from Russia's response to a first strike. This accounts for the current delay.
It should be noted that for the US and it's lackey supporters, war is always put on the table along with every other option where a geopolitical conflict arises between the west and whichever nation they pick as their latest target, particularly when there is a military imbalance to the extent that the targeted nation is not able to defend itself.
Yabbut... again, that's not quite the claim made in the OP.
US Works on Military 'Scenarios' Near Our Borders - Russian Defense Minister
http://rt.com/news/196664-us-military-russian-border/
"...I know US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel personally. That is why his speech at the US Army annual meeting, in what he called Russia the main enemy surprised all of us, to put it mildly,' Shoigu noted."
Russia probably needs a new defence minister. Nothing a US politician says or does should surprise anyone.
I hear the plan is to fight the nuclear war part at night while everyone is asleep so nobody gets hurt.
That reminds me of the time it was suggested that it was best to send a spaceship to the sun at night so that it wouldn't burn up.
Well, obviously there's the everyday nonsense that we needn't look too far to find, and then there are the realities and precedence of western style geopolitics and want for control over everything.
And, perhaps most directly related to the topic of this thread, Stone replies to a question about John McCain:
But, of course, our smart ass faux left babblers know better than Oliver Stone and think ridicule of such ideas is the best approach. Very wise.
Oliver Stone nails it. Again. And again. And again.