La Loche School Shooting
School Shooting in La Loche, 5 Dead
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/la-loche-community-school-loc...
"Five people have died in a shooting in the northern Saskatchewan community of La Loche..."
5 Killed, 2 Critically Injured in Canada School Shooting, Suspect Arrested
https://www.rt.com/news/329864-school-shooting-saskatchewan-canada/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3412739/At-two-dead-one-arrested...
This paragraph at the end of the story stuck out to me.
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/we-will-not-be-allowing-anyone-...
It sounds like a teacher is one of the victims.
Correction; two teachers.
André Picard on the school shooting and Indigenous despair:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/when-despair-reigns-violence-foll...
I'm probably alone at babble with this position but fuck it. Time to trash the Young Offenders Act. It makes sense for youth guilty of petty crime but murder?
I remember being 17 and I was no more competent at 18. The difference is 3 years in juvenile detention to 20 years in prison.
The murders were premeditated and clearly,the suspect knew exactly what he was doing. He'll be back in the community by the time he's 21. It's bullshit. My heart goes out to the families and the community. I don't feel any sympathy whatsoever for the perp.
Unless you are following that to its logical conclusion - putting them out of our misery - I don't see the point.
He was also roundly bullied.
I remember not to many years ago seeing a similar kid in our daughter's school flipping out and miming having a rifle in his hands, firing at people. The supervising teachers took him into the school, right past his 8 year old tormenters, standing there with shit-eating grins on their faces.
Sent a chill up my spine.
On another note, when his happens in San Diego (and it is happening right now as I post this) no one assumes this is the only thing that defines San Diego.
Please great spaghetti monster,let it NOT be a Muslim.
Are you suggesting the death penalty? If so,that is not something I'd support.
But even if the kid was bullied,does it justify his actions? Where do you draw the line? How can this be avoided? We can't start justifying mass murder with excuses such as bullying.
I have no idea how to eradicate such behavior. Kids are cruel and bullying has existed since the beginning of time. Anyone with an answer?
But tossing a disturbed kid in a federal prison with a life sentence. That's okay?
We aren't hanging him, after all.
I don't know. But I think it's safe to say that anybody commiting mass murder are de facto 'disturbed'. I think 3 years in juvenile detention is a slap on the wrist for such a crime.
As I asked in my previous post,is there a definitive answer? I think competent mental health care can conclude whether the individual is simply 'disturbed' or a long term danger to society.
Crimes such as rape and murder are the most serious crimes one can commit. I have a hard time accepting leniancy in regards to such crimes.
Competency and being a responsible adult is a variable. In a legal sense, though, we have to choose a line somewhere. 18 seems to be the chosen line, not just for young offender/adult offender, but for joining the military and voting and, in some provinces, buying alcohol legally.
Is there a special internal shift that happens on the 18th birthday? No, of course not. But you have to have a line somewhere.
I don't know if there's going to be leniency - 3 years? Where are we getting that number? Could be more. I'm more concerned that he get some psychiatric help, because whether he's tried as an adult or a youth, he will be out in the population some day.
Well, for things like driving, or buying alcohol, there's necessarily an arbitrary cut-off, because you can either drive or you can't, and you can either purchase alcohol or you can't.
But in theory, at least, juvenile sentencing could be on a progressive scale. If you're ten, and you kill someone then maybe you get what anyone under 18 would get, but if you're 17 and kill someone, you get something in between what the ten year old would and what a 20 year old would. This might better reflect the fact that at 17 you may still be a juvenile in some ways but you're really not a child anymore, and knowing better than to kill people shouldn't be an unreasonable expectation.
Jesus, we just had a cop get off a murder charge, and there were plenty bending over backwards making excuses for the conviction he did get, and we're getting hard-assed about a 17-year-old who snaps?
There are plenty of people hurting in that town, but I have heard no inerviews from anyone taking that line.
That cop should have been charged with murder. Of course he wasn't,being a cop and all.
I'm not trying to be hard-assed about the shooter. I just have a hard time sympathizing with murderers. This is why I do not sympathize with that cop. There's something called a taser. But apparently,it's a toy they like to play with when a sus is unarmed. Kid with a pocket knife? Empty your weapon on him.
I hope that the 17 year-old gets the mental help that he needs. But I also hope he,in some way,is punished. If he killed one of my family members,I'd want blood. Turns out that the La Loche community are bigger people than me.
But a 10yr old and a 17yr old are not treated exactly the same under the young offender provisions. Young offender status allows a certain amount of flexibility in sentencing and in arriving at decisions on how to rehabilitate that are not possible under the adult offender rules.
Here is an andedote to the community bashing in the MSM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCAUW1LYTeQ&feature=youtu.be
That town was in the news a few years back.
It may have nothing to do with the shooting or it could possibly paint a picture of an environment which lead this shooting. It's hard to say as there is very little news coming out about what happened and why.
Robert St Pierre says
This could possibly extend to someone being bullied and seeking help (but being unable to find it).
paladin please remove your post.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/security-person-to-be-deploye...
Security person to be added to La Loche school