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BC LNG export plans: the ongoing struggle.

BC LNG export plans: the ongoing struggle.

...and speaking of cognitive dissonance...

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Granted, I have always hated the presumpiveness of the old thread title, So which LNG plants will be going ahead and in what order in BC?

But events have transformed the thread title beyond merely objectionable, to just plain silly.

There are 343 posts in the old thread. Both good recent stuff, and some good 'historical' context. [Just two years ago.]

reposting the last 3 posts in the old thread, all from the last week:

epaulo13 wrote:

Northern First Nations band together to block Petronas’ LNG plans

Several First Nations groups are banding together to block early work by contractors for Petronas’ Lelu Island LNG terminal. Leaders of the Madii Lii resistance camp – situated atop several proposed pipeline routes in the Skeena Valley – are rallying behind hereditary chiefs of the Lax Kw’alaams Nation who have been occupying Lelu Island in opposition to survey work for Petronas’ controversial project.

“We are standing together with the Chiefs on Lelu Island in opposition to the same LNG project. Our Madii Lii territory is on the pipeline route, and their Lelu Island territory is on the terminal site. We have both said no,” said Gitxsan Hereditary Chief Luutkudziiwus (Charlie Wright) in a statement today.

“This project threatens the salmon that all Skeena River and North Coast people depend on, and we thank the Yahaan (Don Wesley) and other Tsimshian Chiefs for what they are doing for all of us.”

quote:

The Gitxsan leaders of Madii Lii Camp are not only backing their Skeena brethren, but they have been occupying their own territory in staunch opposition to pipeline construction and are now promising legal action of their own. “We are taking the government to court over the lack of consultation, the inadequate baseline information presented, the weak and subjective impact assessment, the current cumulative effects from past development, and the massive infringement of our Aboriginal rights,” says Madii Lii spokesperson Richard Wright.

“People are now on the ground blocking the Petronas project from the coast to far inland.”

 

repost # 2:

epaulo13 wrote:

Stop Pacific NorthWest LNG/Petronas on Lelu Island

Update #2 from Lax Eula (Lelu Island):

September 13, 2015

This morning unauthorized Stantec surveyors working for Petronas/PNW LNG were found conducting operations on the FLORA BANK. They were informed that they were not permitted on or around Lax Eula, and no surveying had been approved by the Gitwilgyoots. They left, but attempted to return to Flora on the Glacial Mist charter boat at approximately 1pm. They were intercepted by one of our camp skiffs and were informed again that they were not permitted to conduct work on this territory. The Prince Rupert Port Authority boat Charles Hayes then came to support the surveyors, and the Port Authority was also informed that all drilling and surveying must cease. The Glacial Mist stood down and turned back to Port Edward. However, the drill-boat Quin Delta remained stuck on Agnew Bank due to mechanical failure until mid-afternoon, when it left the area as we had instructed yesterday morning.

Tomorrow morning contractors for Petronas are expected to attempt work for a third day. We are looking for boats! If one tiny 12 foot skiff can turn away surveyors and protect the delicate salmon habitat of the Flora Bank which supports nations and families all along the Skeena, imagine what 2, 5, or 10 can do. We need boats and people with strong spirits and hearts. Thank you to everybody who has come out to the island, donated food and supplies, and shown support and solidarity in different ways. Together we will save the Skeena!

 

reposting the last post in the old thread:

epaulo13 wrote:

Drilling at proposed LNG terminal starts despite First Nation opposition

Petronas-led Pacific NorthWest LNG has started test drilling off of Lelu Island, location of its proposed $11.4-billion liquefied natural gas terminal in northwest B.C., despite First Nation opposition.

Members of several First Nations — including the Lax Kw’alaams and the Gitxsan — appeared to stop drilling on the weekend, but the presence of Prince Rupert Port Authority boats has allowed the work to start, Lax Kw’alaams First Nation hereditary chief Don Wesley, also known as Sm’oogyet Yahaan, said Tuesday.

Port authority personnel told him to stay at least 50 metres away from a drilling rig when he approached with his boat, said Wesley, a hereditary chief of the Gitwilgyoots, one of the nine tribes of the Lower Skeena River region.

“They are thinking that nobody is watching,” he said, referring to the work now underway.

Wesley said he is seeking legal advice to determine whether he should adhere to the 50-metre warning....

 

..txs ken for the new thread and the new title. from the facebook page.

Stop Pacific NorthWest LNG/Petronas on Lelu Island

Thank you for sending us solar panels for Lax Uula all the way from the lower mainland, Travis George! Appreciate the support from across BC and around the world.

National Fracking Forum: Linking Canadians in East and West 

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Surveyors conducting unauthorized work for Petronas escorted off Lelu Island

The Lax U’u’la Warriors are of all Nations, Tsimshian, Nisga’a, Haida, and non indigenous. After they hiked across Flora banks at low tide, and made it back to their skiffs, they interrupted the Drill boat who commenced drilling on Flora Banks at approximately 840am.

They threatened the Lax U’u’la Warriors with arrest and RCMP, but the Tsimshians have inherit rights to stop all drilling activity on Flora Banks if they want their Rights and Title over Lax U’u’la & Flora banks to be successful in the courts....

Gitxaala Nation at the Vancouver Solidarity Rally against Enbridge

A delegation of 40 elders, matriarchs and leaders from the Gitxaala Nation present at the Oct 1st Solidarity Rally.

Next door, the Federal Court of Appeal hears legal challenges from the Gitga’at, Gitxaala, Heiltsuk, Haida, Haisla, Kitasoo Xai’Xais, Nadleh Whut'en and Nak'azdli Whut’en Nations, all aimed at overturning the federal government's approval of the Enbridge Northern Gateway pipeline and oil tankers project.

I don't like this thread title any better than the last one. Perhaps it's even a little worse, as it leaves ambiguous what the "struggle" is for.

 

Petronas may defer Canada LNG project

Petroliam Nasional Bhd (Petronas) is likely to defer commercial operations of its Canadian liquified natural gas (LNG) project to 2022 or 2024 as the depressed oil and gas (O&G) prices continue to shroud earnings prospects, analysts said.

The Canadian project, the national oil company’s largest investment abroad, was expected to begin operations in 2019.

But low LNG prices with the Asian LNG slumping around 60% since 2014 to US$8 (RM34.99)/Mbtu is a cause of concern for Petronas.

Analysts said Petronas would require LNG prices to hover between US$11-US$12/Mbtu for the project to break even.

“But with (gas) prices as they are, many projects, not only related to Petronas, do not look viable,” an analyst at a securities research firm covering the O&G sector told The Malaysian Reserve (TMR)....

Anti-fracking activists in Denver Colorado have erected a 20 foot mock wooden oil derrick in front of Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper’s mansion in a posh Denver neighborhood demanding an end to the practice in their state.

Madii Lii

video

Madii Lii is the Lax Yip (territory) of the Wilp (house) of Luutkudziiwus of the Gitxsan Nation. On Aug. 26, 2014, Luutkudziiwus chiefs permanently closed Madii Lii territory to all pipeline development. A gate was erected at the entrance to the territory at 15 km bridge on the Suskwa FSR, and a cabin built to control access to the territory.

This choke point effectively cuts off access for industrial contractors into the territory, including to 32 km of TransCanada's proposed PRGT fracked gas pipeline route. The territory is now occupied full time, and our traditional traplines, hunting grounds, and trails are under use, as per Gitxsan Ayookw (Gitxsan Laws)....

 

Location:  Unitarian Church
949 West 49th Avenue, Vancouver, BC

Keynote Speaker: 
Caleb Behn
, Indigenous lawyer from Treaty 8 territory in Northern BC

Speakers:
Freda Huson, Unsit'ot'en, People of the Headwaters
Toghestiy, Hereditary Chief, Likhts'amisyu
Grand Chief Stewart Phillip, Union of BC Indian Chiefs 

Livestreamed from Moncton:  
Alma Brooks
Maliseet Nation, Wabanaki Confederation
Kenneth Francis & Katrina Clair
IMW Consultation Delegation (IMW stands for Protecting the Earth for Future Generations)

epaulo13 wrote:

Location:  Unitarian Church
949 West 49th Avenue, Vancouver, BC

Keynote Speaker: 
Caleb Behn
, Indigenous lawyer from Treaty 8 territory in Northern BC

Speakers:
Freda Huson, Unsit'ot'en, People of the Headwaters
Toghestiy, Hereditary Chief, Likhts'amisyu
Grand Chief Stewart Phillip, Union of BC Indian Chiefs 

Livestreamed from Moncton:  
Alma Brooks
Maliseet Nation, Wabanaki Confederation
Kenneth Francis & Katrina Clair
IMW Consultation Delegation (IMW stands for Protecting the Earth for Future Generations)

I went on the Kairos website and they will be life streaming the event when it is in session.

..txs kropotkin

Warriors take to the streets in Prince Rupert over LNG

Warriors took to the streets of Prince Rupert delivering a Cease and Desist Order to Pacific Northwest LNG the mayors office, BG office/Prince Rupert LNG, and Skeena River Helicopters yesterday afternoon....

BC approves Woodfibre LNG enviro approval over huge local opposition

The B.C. government has granted the controversial Woodfibre LNG plant in Squamish an environmental permit, despite a loud chorus of opposition from Squamish citizens, and local municipal governments around Howe Sound....

..here is what's at stake

Howe Sound and Squamish looking out to the Pacific. Photo by Rich Duncan, and provided by My Sea to Sky.

Fractured Land Official Trailer

FRACTURED LAND MEDIA EVENT

Come join us as we celebrate two Vancouver International Film Festival wins for our documentary, Fractured Land. We are honoured to feature DJ KEMO of Vancouver's own, The Rascalz. Live performance by MOB BOUNCE with DJ Dean Hunt and live visuals by Bracken Hanuse. Hosted by Fractured Land directors, Fiona Rayher and Damien Gillis.

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UPCOMING VANCOUVER SCREENINGS:
NOV 20, 21, 22 / 8:30PM - Vancity Theater
NOV 24 / 7:00PM - Rio Theater
NOV 25 / 6:30PM - Vancity Theater
DEC 1 / 6:30PM - Kay Meek Centre

Fracking, Site C and the mystery of Hudson’s Hope water contamination

A series of landslides above the northeast BC community of Hudson’s Hope has been dumping contaminated soils into several local creeks, extending now to the Peace River. Local landowners whose water supply has been affected are demanding answers.

But Mayor Gwen Johansson, who has been monitoring the situation since trouble first appeared last summer, says all she really has is a lot of questions.

The three biggest ones are:

1. Did nearby fracking operations – or related wastewater disposal – cause the landslides?

2. Is fracking wastewater the source of the contamination unleashed into a series of interconnected creeks?

3. If not, and the the contamination is naturally-occurring in local soils, as the Oil and Gas Commission contends, then what are the implications for the proposed Site C Dam, which could further erode and carry contaminated soils downstream for decades to come?

Lax Kw’alaams Science Results

BRIEFING DOCUMENT: PNW LNG AND RISKS TO FISH AND FISHER

IN A NUTSHELL: After 4 years, 100 boat days, 500 net hauls, and nearly 200,000 fish sampled, our data demonstrate that Flora Bank is more important to salmon than previously assumed and assessed.

The Flora Bank region contains many-fold more juvenile salmon than any other sampled habitat in the Skeena estuary.

Juvenile salmon can feed and grow in the Flora Bank region for weeks during their seaward migration.

Genetics provide evidence that these fish support dozens of commercial, recreational and Aboriginal fisheries throughout the Skeena Watershed.

It is our scientific assessment that the proposed Pacific Northwest LNG project poses significant risks to Skeena salmon and the fisheries that depend on them.

Lelu Island: Lax U’u’la Defenders Prevent Survey Work

On Thursday, October 29, Lax U’u’la Defenders prevented Stantec surveyors from conducting unauthorized work on Flora Bank. The surveyors were accompanied by two private security guards who were stopped and questioned by the Defenders. The guards refused to identify themselves or which company they worked for and were told that no work may be carried out on the territory without a permit. The guards then left the Bank along with the Stantec surveyors.

The Quin Delta has been removed from active drilling and has been in the Port Edward dock for close to three weeks. Pacific NorthWest LNG continues to deny that the vessel was operating on Flora Bank despite photographic evidence that clearly shows the Quin Delta beached right on the Bank next to exposed eel grass (http://bit.ly/1SjVRks). Two barges continue to conduct unauthorized work on both Flora and Agnew Banks....

The only remaining permit that this mega-project needs is the Canadian Environmental Assessment Certificate (CEAA). If you stand by your words, Trudeau, you will not allow this project to happen. Whether or not you stand by your words, we will not allow it to happen.

 

so.....Burnaby Mayor Corrigan and NDP supporter has sold out to developers eh.....maybe it will stop the pipeline?

Forget Rupert, the only significant LNG game in town is in Kitimat with Shell.

i agree.

 

 

Large group of First Nations, scientists, green groups calls on Trudeau to reject Petronas LNG project

A letter written by Lax Kw’alaams Hereditary Chief Yahaan (Donnie Wesley), calling on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to reject Petronas’ controversial LNG proposal near Prince Rupert, has gained a long list of unlikely, high-profile supporters.

The signatories include over 70 leaders of First Nations, environmental organizations, businesses, unions, university groups and faith groups, plus several scientists and academics such as David Suzuki and Wade Davis. Amongst the notable First Nations leaders are Garry Reece, Chief Councillor of the Lax Kw’alaams Band Council, Grand Chief Stewart Phillip, President of the Union of BC Indian Chiefs, Chief Na’Moks (John Ridsdale) of the Office of the Wet’suwet’en Hereditary Chiefs, and Fort Nelson First Nation Chief Liz Logan.

Federal decision expected soon

The plea comes in advance of a decision on the project’s federal environmental permits, expected in early 2016 or sooner – following several delays. By contrast, the BC government has already enthusiastically signed off on the project, but without the support of local First Nations, who rejected the government and proponent’s offer of some $1.15 billion in economic benefits and a significant grant of crown land....

..pdf file

November  9,  2015 For Immediate Release

Council  of  the  Haida  Nation  seeks  plan  to  protect  oceans

The 2015 House of Assembly, the legislative body of the Haida Nation, passed a resolution expressing opposition to British Columbia’s LNG agenda and demanding that the mass export of any fossil fuel through its territory be prohibited.

Kil tlaats ‘gaa Peter Lantin, President of the Haida Nation said that if LNG is developed on the north coast we could see large LNG tankers passing through Haida territorial waters. Presently there are no adequate provincial or federal emergency response systems in place if a ship were to founder.

"Should there be an accident our environment and way of life will experience significant damage,” Lantin said. “Our goal is to establish a world-class, leading-edge, regional shipping management plan. In achieving this, reconciliation between the Crown and First Nations, will also be advanced."

In 2013, the House of Assembly passed a resolution directing the Council of the Haida Nation to engage with the federal and provincial governments, and the shipping industry to explore ways to prevent and respond to marine vessel casualties. This included the development of a marine emergency response system stationed on Haida Gwaii funded mostly by the shipping industry.

Forget Rupert, the only significant LNG game in town is in Kitimat with Shell.

..maybe but kitmat is far from certain with opposition from gitxsan, wet'suwet'en to the pipelines and now haida placing restrictions on tankers.

.."mission accomplished" a stand up comedian on open mic night

'Mission Accomplished': Woodfibre LNG President Moves On

Woodfibre LNG is looking for a new president after Anthony Gelotti returned to Texas.

The company's vice-president of corporate affairs said the veteran energy executive's departure is part of the project's evolution.

"He came to the end of his two-year contract and we had reached a milestone position in the project where the work he'd been retained for has been completed," Byng Giraud said in an interview. "We're moving past our environmental assessment process and moving towards [final investment decision] and construction."

Giraud said the company is "looking for a different style of person" because the job will be more about construction. Giraud said Gelotti's last day was Nov. 15.

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