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Montréal police's own report proves systemic racial profiling

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This has been all over the news in recent days - and the police have been criticizing their own commissioned report, which they managed to cover up for almost 18 months until it was leaked to La Presse a couple of days ago:

Young blacks more apt to be pulled over by Montreal police: report

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The head of Quebec's human rights and youth commission says the Montreal police force needs to put an end its "systemic" practice of racial profiling.

Commission head Gaetan Cousineau said that for the better part of two years police have denied accusations they routinely stop young black men without cause, dismissing each complaint brought to their attention as an exception to standard procedure.

Now a damning internal report, prepared for Montreal police 17 months ago by criminologist Mathieu Charest and obtained by La Presse newspaper, appears to confirm what individuals and community groups have been saying — young black men in neighbourhoods such as Montreal North are far more likely to be pulled over than young white men. [...]

Montreal police were quick to dismiss Charest's report, saying it used flawed methodology. But Cousineau said there are too many cases to be brushed aside as aberrations.

"An alarm should have been raised by such numbers," he said.

Charest's study reinforces the findings of Christopher McAll, a Universite de Montreal professor and scientific director of the Montreal Research Centre on Social Inequalities and Discrimination.

His study of young blacks in the criminal justice system found black youths between age 12 and 18 were more than twice as likely to be arrested as whites and four times as likely to be questioned by police.


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A story about this was on As It Happens this evening. They interviewed a black man who was pulled over four times in the same week, and on the fourth time he demanded to speak to a supervisor before he showed his identification. He was eventually served with two tickets, and in the report, the officer wrote that "in his experience" the name of the defendant (a traditionally French name) could not belong to a person of colour, only a Québecois man.


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Quebec Court of Appeal sides with rights commission in racial profiling case

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On Aug. 21, 2003, 16-year-old Fritznol François was sitting on a low, metal fence in front of his apartment building with five friends when police gave him an $85 ticket for infringing a cleanliness bylaw.

The Quebec Human Rights Commission called it a flagrant case of racial profiling.

Last week, the Quebec Court of Appeal sided with the commission.

 


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Québec Human Rights Commission proposes sweeping changes to end racial profiling in Quebec

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The commission proposes sweeping changes, including a prohibition on racial profiling in the Quebec Charter of Rights, the Police Act and the police code of ethics; sensitivity training for police, teachers and other employees; hiring of minorities and efforts to eliminate poverty and marginalization.

 


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/sarcasm. This is going too far!

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The media have been unsuccessful so far in getting the Liberals or the PQ to comment on the commission's report:

Quebec politicians silent on profiling

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Accosted at a bus stop, in the park, while crossing the street or at school.

With a new report from the Quebec Human Rights Commission in hand, Montrealers are speaking out with tales of racial profiling in everyday places.

And yet Premier Jean Charest and opposition leader Pauline Marois are still silent on the issue. During question period Thursday in the National Assembly, debate centred instead on pork pricing, flooding and the electoral map.

Despite making the front pages of Montreal newspapers, there was radio silence on racial profiling in Quebec City.

"When you can't even get a statement of principle or intent, that's cause for concern," said Fo Niemi, executive director of the Centre for Research Action on Race Relations. "Silence is a very powerful message - unfortunately it's a message of indifference or denial."

Even the ministers for justice and public security have said nothing, Niemi continued, other than that they would study the report.

 


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This isn't the cops exactly, but it shows the human rights commission is playing a strong role:

Rights commission fines Montreal Transit Corporation for racial profiling

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The Quebec human rights commission has sided with a 57-year-old man who says he was singled out and roughed up by métro security guards for being black. It also requested Montreal's public transit agency to stop racial profiling.

The commission proposed in a decision made public Jan. 12 that the Société de transport de Montréal pay the man, who asked that he not be named in this story for fear of reprisals, $15,000 in moral damages and $8,000 in punitive damages. The commission also requests that the STM forbid racial profiling when checking commuters for proof of payment of fares and to systematically collect data on the race of people stopped by STM security agents in order to document the use of racial profiling and "take appropriate measures" to end it.

The STM has until Feb. 17 at 3 p.m. to agree to the commission's proposals or the matter will be referred to the courts for legal action intended to implement the proposals, the commission stated.

 


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Can't find an English report on this yet. I'll translate a bit:

Death of Quilem Registre: Family pleased with suspension of the police officers

It took four years and 10 days of hearing last May and June, but two Montreal cops have been temporarily suspended (20 days and 5 days) for having killed Quilem Registre, age 39, in October 2007, by tasering him six times. He was supposedly intoxicated, aggressive, and had smashed into three parked cars with his car. And for that, the death sentence.

There's a whole lot more to this story over the years, including the movement for justice that has been ongoing.

Let me just add that as a worker who sees workers fired for unbelievably less serious offences, the concept of temporary suspensions in this case makes me sick.

 


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Is This Surprising? 

 

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Racial profiling victory for South Shore man

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Joel Debellefeuille feels vindicated after winning a three-year legal battle against Longeuil police for racial profiling.


"I can actually now drive down the street, walk down the street and feel comfortable," said Debellefeuille.


His legal saga began in 2009 and required three court cases before reaching this stage all because police officers repeatedly stopped Debellefeuille while he was driving a new BMW. [...]

When he saw the police report a year later, he took his case directly to the Centre for Research on Race Relations.


That's because the police report said the reason for pulling over Debellefeuille was because the officer had run the plate, and decided that a black man could not have a Quebecois name.

 


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While some Haitian names are distinctive, there are more than a few that are identical to Québécois francophone names. I'm not surprised that there is a growing share of such racial discrimination in suburban areas. This is also the case for other kinds of discrimination that are more likely to affect people who can't afford an expensive car, such as housing discrimination - though actually, while most complaints to tenant associations involve people of modest means, we have also seen cases of affluent people of colour or different national origins refused the right to rent or even to buy more expensive dwellings. This takes some kind of stupidity prize: "Debellefeuille's case went to trial, where Longueuil municipal court judge Marc Gravel rejected the racial profiling case, even though the officer testified in court that he had only stopped Debellefeuille because of his skin colour".

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I found these facts interesting about the black population in Canada.  i knew about the demographics of Ontario and thought that Quebec has also had a significant black community. It was the suburban integration that surprised me.  I know when my nephew from TO came out to the West Coast to stay with me he often commented on how few other black people there were here but then he grew up in Scarborough in the '80's and 90's.

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The Black presence in Canada is primarily an urban phenomenon. The overwhelming majority of Black Canadians live in metropolitan areas such as Toronto and Montréal. Since geographically, according to the 2001 census, some 62% of Blacks live in Ontario and 23% in Quebec, we would expect this high concentration in Toronto and Montréal. Almost 47% of all Black Canadians live in Toronto and 21% in Montréal. This overrepresentation in Toronto and Montréal is a result of historical factors and of the obvious proximity to Black nations in Africa and the Caribbean. (Ottawa-Gatineau and Halifax also have sizeable proportions of Blacks, while the proportions decline in other urban centres.)

The spatial distribution of the Black population in Canada differs markedly from that in the United States, where Blacks are clearly the most segregated group. In Canada Blacks are among the least segregated groups, despite identifiable Black enclaves in Toronto and Montréal. Studies show that Canadian Blacks are much more likely to be spread among the neighborhoods of Toronto and Montréal than other visible minorities, even more than some non-visible minorities, such as Greeks and Portuguese.

http://www.blackhistorycanada.ca/theme.php?id=9


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Black man wrongfully arrested

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Nineteen-year-old student Mark Wiles Simpson was minding his own business and talking to his cousin in a park near the McDonald's in St. Laurent where he was going to start his shift when police jumped him, wrestled him to the ground, punching and choking him. Four officers were involved in the October 3 incident.

"I said what's going on, I didn't do anything. They weren't telling me, they weren't answering me, they weren't telling me why I was being arrested," Simpson told a news conference.

Turns out, they thought he was a suspect in the hold up of a nearby SAQ. But he was the wrong man, and police released him with no apology and charged him with obstruction of justice.

Young, black, and a student. Three strikes.

 


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So its obstructing justice to be in the area of a crime that you might be suspected of but innocent? Hmmmm I'll have to remember that when Im in Montreal tho since Im white Im pretty sure that rule would not apply to me

 

 

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That is the police mentality everywhere in this country of ours.  If a police officer gives you an order no matter how outrageous you as a citizen must immediately comply with that order.  if you do not then you are causing a breach of the peace and if they are pursuing a criminal investigation they call it obstruction of justice. 

Of course marginalized people are most often the subject of outrageous orders because of the systemic racism and classism in our state security system.


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Yes, that is a horrible story. Hope Mark didn't also get fired from his McJob for not showing up! And it is so hard to sue the cops.

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Police ethics committee rules that officers should be suspended in Farid Charles case

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However, the committee dismissed the racial profiling claim made by Charles and the Centre for Research Action on Race Relations, which sponsored his complaint to the police ethics board, as well as a civil rights suit, still pending, seeking $30,000 in damages from the officers and the City of Montreal.

In rejecting the racial profiling charge, the committee said the police officers stopped Charles before they realized he was black and found insufficient evidence suggesting their conduct was race related.

 


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How on earth is sitting in a friend's car while he is in a restaurant getting take-out "loitering", to begin with?

"Loitering" is the kind of vague offense that lends itself to racial, class and age profiling. Can anyone imagine a couple of white, upper-middle-class pensioners in Tilley hats being accused of that?


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Alain Magloire's funeral

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Pierre Magloire remained poised Saturday as he stood before hundreds in a small chapel, asking them to come forward and share memories of his brother Alain — who was gunned down by Montreal police last Monday.

Since the shooting, Magloire said he’s tried to rebuild his brother’s image so that people don’t remember him simply as an itinerant man who grappled with mental illness in the final months of his life. And so on Saturday, in a packed Longueuil funeral home, a much more nuanced picture of 41-year-old Alain’s life emerged.

Alain, the son of former Haitian Justice Minister René Magloire, was a biochemistry researcher and a teacher who dreamed of curing cerebral palsy. He had two daughters, he played rugby and volunteered with the Quebec Society for Disabled Children. But by the time he was shot, Alain had been living on the streets for months and was desperately trying to cope with an illness that surfaced almost seven years prior.

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“Alain is what you might describe as the perfect victim,” said one of his relatives. “He was dark-skinned and he lived on the streets. Sadly, we live in a society where that counts as two strikes against you.”


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Yes, that also applied to the Iranian refugee who was gunned down by les flics a while back.

In France such police killings are called "bavures". (Blunders, or literally smudges or drips on a page, like we lefthanded people make when writing in pen and ink). Funny how these "errors" tend to affect black and brown people, itinerants and the mentally ill.

That said, I do think the police need more training on how to peacefully subdue a mentally-ill person in crisis who is "acting out".

 

 

 


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Unionist, in June 2013 wrote:

Police ethics committee rules that officers should be suspended in Farid Charles case

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However, the committee dismissed the racial profiling claim made by Charles and the Centre for Research Action on Race Relations, which sponsored his complaint to the police ethics board, as well as a civil rights suit, still pending, seeking $30,000 in damages from the officers and the City of Montreal.

In rejecting the racial profiling charge, the committee said the police officers stopped Charles before they realized he was black and found insufficient evidence suggesting their conduct was race related.

BREAKING NEWS:

The Québec Human Rights Commission has upheld Farid Charles' complaint against the police and awarded him $33,000 in damages!

I'll provide a link when I find one.

 


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Waiting for a friend in a car while Black? It is horrible how they targeted this utterly innocent man. I'm glad he stuck with it, as often there is so little concrete to win, under the justice system.

I'm glad someone won some recourse, after the recent stories of the homeless Aboriginal woman tortured in Prince Albert and a Roma teenager in critical condition afer a good old pogrom in the suburbs of Paris: http://npa2009.org/node/41746


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The commission also recommended that the Montreal police department implement training to help prevent future incidents.

I would really love someone to make a surreptitious video of one of these "training" sessions someday so that we can see what they consist of, and how those in attendance react. "Lesson 1. While black people are suspicious, you should wait until you can make up an articulable reason for suspecting them before you confront them. Lesson 2, always be on the lookout for cameras."


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Unionist wrote:

BREAKING NEWS:

The Québec Human Rights Commission has upheld Farid Charles' complaint against the police and awarded him $33,000 in damages!

I'll provide a link when I find one.

More breaking news - the city refuses to pay. So now it has to go to the tribunal:

City of Montreal won't pay, racial profiling case heads to human rights tribunal

 


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Québec solidaire MNA Amir Khadir spoke out against that xenophobic crap, as a proud "ethnic" citizen and as a Québec MNA from Montréal:

(From Amir's Facebook page) Un tireur tue deux policiers à New York, disant vouloir venger deux Afro-américains tués par la police. Pourquoi le président de la Fraternité des policiers et policières est-il inquiet que Montréal connaisse la même expérience? Sa réponse à la une du Devoir: « compte tenu de son caractère multiethnique »!

Ces propos sont inacceptables et odieux.

Ni comme fier citoyen « ethnique », encore moins comme député québécois de Montréal, je peux accepter qu'une personne en charge alimente ce genre de préjugés dangereux.

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I suppose if I pointed out that young men are the main perps of such violent acts, I'm a man-hating feminist and a hoary old boomer?


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lagatta wrote:

I suppose if I pointed out that young men are the main perps of such violent acts, I'm a man-hating feminist and a hoary old boomer?

I debated with myself before commenting on this comment. But why would you say this in this thread? "Young men", irrespective of colour, are also the victims of profiling by the police, depending on the context. Think of red squares. Or poor neighbourhoods. Or homeless folks. I know you know that. I just don't get the relevance of your comment here.


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I've been the victim of profiling.

I was waiting for a bus at Lionel-Groulx metro and when the bus arrived and I walked toward it,someone grabbed my arm.

The person was not wearing a uniform nor did he identify himself as a cop. I ripped my arm from his grip and another fellow came up and identified himself as a cop.

What reason was there to stop me? Did they have the right to order me to identify myself without any cause? Yes,apparently.

At the time I was a young man with long hair wearing leather and denim. I believe that was the probable cause.

Needless to say,after about 10 minutes of checking throiugh their computer they let me go only to arrest me moments later as I boarded the bus when they found I had an outstanding ticket.

People are profiled. Mostly young men,mostly of colour.People are also profiled by their fashion.

It's nothing new.

Where are the laws to protect people from being profiled? Oh yes,they don't exist,my bad.


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