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What can be done to de-radicalize extremist white nationalism
What can be done to de-radicalize extremist white nationalism
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Submitted by swallow on November 12, 2016 - 11:20am.
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As white people, it was our turn to experience the cold shock of discovering that a significant part of our community has been radicalized, sometimes over the Internet, into a form of intolerant extremism that rejects conventional Western values and threatens the integrity of entire countries. That it has so far manifested itself in ballots rather than bombs shouldn’t mask its gravity: Because we are so numerous, our zealots are capable of paralyzing nations.We need to do what we have long told other groups to do when they face an extremism problem: Speak up about it, identify it, try to understand what has happened to so many people like us, find a way to lead them away from extremism.
The real reason Donald Trump got elected? We have a white extremism problem
Submitted by Pondering on November 12, 2016 - 5:00pm.
swallow wrote:
Quote:As white people, it was our turn to experience the cold shock of discovering that a significant part of our community has been radicalized, sometimes over the Internet, into a form of intolerant extremism that rejects conventional Western values and threatens the integrity of entire countries. That it has so far manifested itself in ballots rather than bombs shouldn’t mask its gravity: Because we are so numerous, our zealots are capable of paralyzing nations.We need to do what we have long told other groups to do when they face an extremism problem: Speak up about it, identify it, try to understand what has happened to so many people like us, find a way to lead them away from extremism.
The real reason Donald Trump got elected? We have a white extremism problem
Interesting article written to protect neoliberalism.
After all, the tragedy this week was not just that a radical faction within the white community broke away from the rest of the United States and elected an extremist, but that they abandoned the Democratic and Republican parties in the process, leaving mainstream politics without a language that can lead to victory.
The problem is radicals not the system.
It might be worth facing the problem directly: If the strongest predictors of white radicalization are a lack of postsecondary education and residence in an ethnically segregated non-urban community, it’s worth thinking of reducing the number of people who live this way. Increasing the proportion of adults with university or college educations is both economically sensible – since this is where the middle-class incomes are found – and also politically wise. Canada has a considerably higher rate of postsecondary education than the United States, and it may be one reason why these currents of intolerant racial politics have not washed up here significantly.
No middle-class jobs without a college education. All the service jobs can continue to be done by an underclass. Fast food, retail, garbage collection, road work, if it doesn't require college it isn't a middle class job.
“I’m interested in how reframing the language of national identity can have an effect,” he says. Instead of celebrating “diversity” as a virtue in itself, it may be better to focus on the other side of the immigration coin, the near-universal tendency of newcomers to adopt universal values, to become part of mainstream society, to intermarry, to become "normal."
Here you go, we need to focus on assimilation.
Great example of the kind of people blaming this on racism.
Submitted by alan smithee on November 12, 2016 - 5:23pm.
In Québec,asshole extraordinaire Frankie Legault has come out to praise Trump.
In Ontario,a judge showed up to work in a Trump hat.
In Canada,Kellie Leitch has said she wants to campaign like Trump.
Forget about the States. We need to ensure that provincially and federally that the current American experience cannot and will not happen here.
I think we should get involved right now,today,to make sure fascism is stopped at the border.
Don't think it can't happen here.
Submitted by Pondering on November 12, 2016 - 5:26pm.
alan smithee wrote:
In Québec,asshole extraordinaire Frankie Legault has come out to praise Trump.
In Ontario,a judge showed up to work in a Trump hat.
In Canada,Kellie Leitch has said she wants to campaign like Trump.
Forget about the States. We need to ensure that provincially and federally that the current American experience cannot and will not happen here.
I think we should get involved right now,today,to make sure fascism is stopped at the border.
Don't think it can't happen here.
So what do you think is the cause and the solution?
Submitted by alan smithee on November 12, 2016 - 5:45pm.
Pondering wrote:
alan smithee wrote:In Québec,asshole extraordinaire Frankie Legault has come out to praise Trump.
In Ontario,a judge showed up to work in a Trump hat.
In Canada,Kellie Leitch has said she wants to campaign like Trump.
Forget about the States. We need to ensure that provincially and federally that the current American experience cannot and will not happen here.
I think we should get involved right now,today,to make sure fascism is stopped at the border.
Don't think it can't happen here.
So what do you think is the cause and the solution?
The cause? Maybe 30 years of neo-liberalism. The solution? At any and all costs.
Submitted by NDPP on November 12, 2016 - 6:27pm.
The Myth of the Reactionary White Working Class
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/11/12/pers-n12.html
"This identity-based presentation of Tuesday's election is a fake narrative exploded by the most basic analysis of the data."
Submitted by ikosmos on November 12, 2016 - 7:11pm.
The "liberal" media only discovered the existence of the working class in order to criticize a large part of it. The rest of the time they simply deny that the working class exists at all, and, at best, wallow in post-modern identity politics that is easily co-opted into policies virulently antagonistic to working people.
So any claims by the same media that got the election so wrong are still suspect. Here's a little related humour.
All sorts of bigots are claiming Trump as their own. Let's see what he actually DOES before passing judgment.
Submitted by mark_alfred on November 12, 2016 - 8:11pm.
Thanks. Good article.
Submitted by Mr. Magoo on November 12, 2016 - 8:19pm.
Wow. Makes you nostalgic for 2008, and 2012, before the white extremists.
Submitted by swallow on November 12, 2016 - 9:03pm.
Submitted by mark_alfred on November 12, 2016 - 9:30pm.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/opinion/america-elects-a-bigot.html
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It is hard to know specifically how to position yourself in a country that can elect a man with such staggering ineptitude and open animus. It makes you doubt whatever faith you had in the country itself.
Also, let me be clear: Businessman Donald Trump was a bigot. Candidate Donald Trump was a bigot. Republican nominee Donald Trump was a bigot. And I can only assume that President Donald Trump will be a bigot.
It is absolutely possible that America didn’t elect him in spite of that, but because of it. Consider that for a second. Think about what that means. This is America right now: throwing its lot in with a man who named an alt-right sympathizer as his campaign chief.
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That is not a person worthy of applause. That is a person who must be placed under unrelenting pressure. Power must be challenged, constantly. That begins today.
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