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Kinder Morgan Pipleline Project

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Notley shrugs off B.C.'s economic deal with Kinder Morgan

http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/notley-shrugs-off-b-c-s-economic-...


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this is not news.

shoudn't even be considered as news worthy by the CH.

any rational person realizes it's none of AB's business what deal BC cuts with KM.

llolololol


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Pipeline politics: What's next for B.C.?

The proposed Kinder Morgan pipeline expansion once resembled a political morass, something that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and B.C. Premier Christy Clark would wade into at their peril.

But both politicians have managed to put pipeline opponents on the defensive as both sides head into a three-front battle in 2017 over the $6.8-billion project.

Trudeau, one anti-pipeline environmentalist acknowledged Thursday, did a “masterful” job in packaging his approval with a string of environmental measures — a $1.5-billion Oceans Protection Plan, a national carbon tax and the cancellation of the Northern Gateway pipeline — aimed at easing the public’s concerns.

And Clark followed Trudeau’s lead this week with her own slickly packaged approval that included $25 million a year wrested from the company for a B.C. “Clean Communities” program.

“They’ve done this brilliantly,” University of B.C. political scientist Richard Johnston said Thursday.

But the battle is far from over as the conflict moves to the B.C. campaign trail, the courts and — when construction starts next autumn — the street.

“Completion of the pipeline just became even more probable, but it is by no means a lock,” said George Hoberg, who teaches environmental and energy policy at UBC’s Liu Institute for Global Studies.

Veteran B.C. climate-change campaigner Ben West said the next key battleground is the May B.C. election, which pits Kinder Morgan opponents John Horgan and Green leader Andrew Weaver against Clark. If the project becomes a ballot issue, she will be in a strong position to win re-election unless pipeline opposition coalesces around one of her two opponents.

West said he’s heard talk among pipeline opponents about the need to adopt a strategic voting strategy aimed at preventing vote-splitting among anti-Clark forces. However, Johnston also said he can’t see how Horgan could block the project given that both governments have approved it, and interprovincial pipelines is a matter under federal jurisdiction.

“The premier of B.C. cannot stop it,” he said.


http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/local+news/pipeline+politics+what+ne...


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Sounds like a win-win-win situation here.

Enlisting Alberta First Nations to bolster pipeline monitoring

Program wants those who know the land best to keep an eye on oil and gas infrastructure

First to be affected

Treaty 6 Grand Chief Wilton Littlechild said he also likes the InnoTech idea, given indigenous people are often the first to be affected when disaster strikes.

It would also make use of a workforce in need of opportunities, he added.

"If you look at the demographics, it's very clear that we're the biggest available pool just by age for labour skills," he said.

"Many times the employment opportunities are given to outsiders. Our local availability and capacity is often overlooked in terms of employment opportunities."

'Long-term relationships with indigenous communities'

Jule Asterisk, with the environmental coalition Keepers of the Water, said she's encouraged by the plan.

"Of course it's always dependent on how it's done and we're hopeful that these programs will be able to be done in a respectful way," she said.

Leanne Madder, a spokeswoman for the Canadian Energy Pipeline Association, said teaming with indigenous communities is nothing new to the industry.

"Pipeline operators seek to establish long-term relationships with indigenous communities. To build the foundation of this relationship, companies often help indigenous communities develop the skills necessary to benefit from pipeline development while protecting the environment and their traditional way of life," she said.

"Pipeline companies promote indigenous employment in every way possible, whether through direct employment or through the contractors they work with."


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/first-nations-pipeline-monitoring-...


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Agreed

Trudeau says Canada's oil sands must be phased out

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trudeau-says-canadas-oil-sands-must-phased-03...


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Surrey, Langley in talks for Kinder Morgan pipeline benefitsTo compensate for pipeline construction disruption, some but not all municipalities along the route will get significant benefits payouts from Kinder Morgan.  - Kinder Morgan CanadaTo compensate for pipeline construction disruption, some but not all municipalities along the route will get significant benefits payouts from Kinder Morgan. — Image Credit: Kinder Morgan Canada

http://www.vicnews.com/news/410666345.html


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Kinder Morgan — what's in it for B.C.

Premier says millions coming for community environmental projects


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The province has given its OK to the expansion of the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion.   Photograph By File

B.C.'s approval of the Kinder Morgan pipeline expansion was never in serious doubt but whether the province got enough out of the deal is still an open question.

Apparently, the clincher was a $1-billion investment fund for community environmental projects over 20 years based on money B.C. will get from Kinder Morgan's oil sales on the spot market, about 17% of shipments.

This fund is not likely to silence the criticism, nor will it prevent court cases by First Nations groups against the pipeline, which will pass through Coquitlam. But it does give the premier talking points in the lead-up to May's provincial election, however little money this actually is in the big picture.

Also uncertain is how many jobs British Columbians will get from construction given that there is a local shortage of skilled labour.

We can only hope the promised safety measures to protect B.C. waters are adequate.

 http://www.tricitynews.com/opinion/editorial/editorial-kinder-morgan-what-s-in-it-for-b-c-1.7356192


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Some credit for Notley on oil file this week — but not too much  Laughing

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2017/01/14/some-credit-for-notley-on-oil-file...


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There's no way that building the pipeline would ever lead to the oilsands being phased out.

And we already know that most of the trivially small number of jobs the pipleline would create in B.C. would actually go to unionized B.C. workers.

You've been sold a bill of goods, North.


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Ken why dont you elaborate on the small number of jobs for BC because Kinder Morgan says there are going to be thousands of jobs My goodness it seems they already have hundreds on their payroll and the project has not even started yet And speaking of that where is the project actually going to start construction in Burnaby cutting through Burnaby mountain I hope so as I am looking forward to Corrigan being arrested and thrown in the slammer People better realize when they start fucking with people's jobs there will a big price to pay for that

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Why would you ever believe anything Kinder Morgan says?

There the sort of enterprise that promises the moon, then delivers but crumbs of moldy green cheese.  They have no intention of employing any significant number of unionized B.C. workers.  Where the hell are the 100,000 jobs Christy promised four years ago? 

Nobody is screwing with people's jobs...the planet is in a massive enviromental crisis and we can't just let the extractive industrial complex do whatever the hell they want to who- and whatever they want to do it to. 

And there is no way that what you are doing here is ever going to persuade the BCNDP to support the pipeline...especially since doing so means losing every seat on Vancouver Island to the BC Greens and having no chance of ever retaking those seats in any future election.

 

 

 


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Researchers to study if oil-eating 'bugs' could clean up Arctic oil spills

Feds, province commit $4M to U of M Arctic oil spill research

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/arctic-oil-spill-research-1.3937909


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KM will divide the project into ~ 40 - 100km sections and contractors will bid on these separately. For this size of pipe, around 800 - 900 workers are needed by each contractor, not counting KM staff or support like camps or transport. Day rates are ~ $500 for labourers, $1000 for trades, $1500 for formen and $2500 for inspectors. Every town and pit stop along the route will be inundated with business.

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NorthReport wrote:
Ken why dont you elaborate on the small number of jobs for BC because Kinder Morgan says there are going to be thousands of jobs My goodness it seems they already have hundreds on their payroll and the project has not even started yet And speaking of that where is the project actually going to start construction in Burnaby cutting through Burnaby mountain I hope so as I am looking forward to Corrigan being arrested and thrown in the slammer People better realize when they start fucking with people's jobs there will a big price to pay for that

 

NR, you're actually calling for, or looking forward to a local Mayor, who is allying himself with first nations groups, to be thrown in thee slammer for protesting an environmentally dubious project, while you ally yourself with big corporate interests.  Really? You've been on this board for 8 years.  it's time to review the policies and foundational principles of babble.  Your posts are becoming increasingly out of line.


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Or, NR is advocating for jobs in industry, not necessarily for industry. Why is it against babble policy to advocate for the unemployed? .... why is it ok to wish harm to 'alt-right' or neo-liberal chaps but to be chastised by mods for daring to criticize the 'right sort'.Toronto elites crapping on BC unemployed smells more of the regional biases that divide us than it does of progressive ideals.... . Whether anyone wants to acknowledge it or not, there is a lot of support for this project in BC, even on Fantasy Island, Cranky Corrigan and Mayor Moonbeam aside. Much of the opposition has nothing to do with the project. It is municipal politics and nimbyism at play. FN leveraging the issue to move claims forward against federal intransigence.Take note also that the NDP snatched defeat from the jaws of victory over this very issue when Adrian Dix came out against the project. ....Personally, I have no opinion on whether to build it or not, preferring to have faith in our democratic institutions to choose the right course based on fact, not hyperbole; rule of law, not anarchy. No wonder there is only a score of poster agreeing with each other left here. Level the playing field.

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Martin N. wrote:
Toronto elites crapping on BC unemployed smells more of the regional biases that divide us than it does of progressive ideals.... .

What a load of horseshit.


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Basement Dweller wrote:

Martin N. wrote:
Toronto elites crapping on BC unemployed smells more of the regional biases that divide us than it does of progressive ideals.... .

What a load of horseshit.

We'll put you down as undecided then?

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Martin N. wrote:
Basement Dweller wrote:

Martin N. wrote:
Toronto elites crapping on BC unemployed smells more of the regional biases that divide us than it does of progressive ideals.... .

What a load of horseshit.

We'll put you down as undecided then?

Nobody is crapping on the BC unemployed. You're just making stuff up. You're the who is being divisive. Again how many jobs are we talking about here for BC? From what I have read, no more than a few thousand temporary jobs and maybe a couple hundred permanent ones. And it's becoming clear that a lot of those jobs will go to specialized workers brought in.

And it endangers a bunch of existing industries. This offers nothing for the BC unemployed...or employed.


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Martin N. wrote:
Or, NR is advocating for jobs in industry, not necessarily for industry. Why is it against babble policy to advocate for the unemployed? .... why is it ok to wish harm to 'alt-right' or neo-liberal chaps but to be chastised by mods for daring to criticize the 'right sort'.Toronto elites crapping on BC unemployed smells more of the regional biases that divide us than it does of progressive ideals.... . Whether anyone wants to acknowledge it or not, there is a lot of support for this project in BC, even on Fantasy Island, Cranky Corrigan and Mayor Moonbeam aside. Much of the opposition has nothing to do with the project. It is municipal politics and nimbyism at play. FN leveraging the issue to move claims forward against federal intransigence.Take note also that the NDP snatched defeat from the jaws of victory over this very issue when Adrian Dix came out against the project. ....Personally, I have no opinion on whether to build it or not, preferring to have faith in our democratic institutions to choose the right course based on fact, not hyperbole; rule of law, not anarchy. No wonder there is only a score of poster agreeing with each other left here. Level the playing field.
I agree. Like you I don't know if it should go ahead or not but most of the arguments against this seem like nothing but nimbyism. I also note with some amusement that people are constantly bemoaning the loss of factory jobs in the east. Because we all know they have no environmental footprint whatsoever.

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Martin N. wrote:
Or, NR is advocating for jobs in industry, not necessarily for industry. Why is it against babble policy to advocate for the unemployed? ....

You seem to be "overlooking" that NR was warned specifically for saying he hopes to see Mayor Corrigan in jail. He has never had a warning, and will not get one, for his ceaseless repetition of "what about the jobs in this?"

And by te way- you saying that you are not decided on the issue has extremely little credibility.


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jjuares wrote:
I agree. Like you I don't know if it should go ahead or not but most of the arguments against this seem like nothing but nimbyism.

"Mere" nimbyism, eh?

I fought fracking here because would utterly transform and devastate the area I live- chronic air pollution included. That is nimbyism.


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Same point to you jjuares, as I put to Martin...

You have to wonder about the sincerity of statements people have not decided when they utterly dismiss arguments against the pipeline.


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KenS wrote:

Martin N. wrote:
Or, NR is advocating for jobs in industry, not necessarily for industry. Why is it against babble policy to advocate for the unemployed? ....

You seem to be "overlooking" that NR was warned specifically for saying he hopes to see Mayor Corrigan in jail. He has never had a warning, and will not get one, for his ceaseless repetition of "what about the jobs in this?"

And by te way- you saying that you are not decided on the issue has extremely little credibility.

Yeah, I addressed that issue. Either enforce policy even handed or be hypocrites. I have an investment in this issue in that I live on oceanfront in BC and any potential spill will have a great effect on me. What's your investment in KM, other than the benefit of your opinion?

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I didnt ask for your investment. You say you addressed the issue, but you didt say a word about NR calling for Corrigan to be in jail.


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And as far as even handed goes- NR did not get a warning for going on an and on with a meme unpopular here. But calling for Corrigan in jail crosses the line. If you dont think it is fair, and hypocritical, to wish the same harm on alt-right figures... tough. What NR did crlearly violates policy. Wishing that in alt right figures does not. If you dont like that, thats your privilege, but dont expect any sympathy.

 


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KenS wrote:

Same point to you jjuares, as I put to Martin...

You have to wonder about the sincerity of statements people have not decided when they utterly dismiss arguments against the pipeline.

You also have to wonder about the sincerity of people who refuse any fact that disputes the narrative they adopt. KM and predecessors have shipped oil on tankers from their location for 60 years without any shipping issues. Over 500 tankers per year travel to Cherry Point and Anacortes Wa, 20 or so miles south of the Vancouver area. Transport Canada considers the route safe. Safety is strict. ....Even though I am at some small risk, I'm prepared to be reasonable and allow democratic institutions, rather than anarchy rule the day

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