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Is Rona Ambrose about to de-Stalinize the CPC?
January 26, 2016 - 3:53pm
*wait for it*
Exactly one month shy of the 60th anniversary of Krushchev's Secret Speech to the Twentieth Party Congress (February 25/26 1956), Comrade Ambrose comes out in support of removing the anti-equal marraige plank from the CPC's* official platform. Apparently no response from Harper yet.
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*btw: I love the CPC acronym, even without the (ML) suffix. It always makes me giggle.
For Canada, it's late in coming even for Conservatives. For the US Conservatives, it's totally disgusting that they continue to cling to the gay bashing and hate.
But for countries that still accept Christian indoctrination and are still trying to escape from it, it's understandable that it's going to take thm a lot longer. Some still execute gays! People who want to talk about the issue should be able to understand it too.
But then, saying what I did about the US, maybe that's understandable too, considering that they are still deeply corrupted with Christianity. There's an invitation bagkitty, if you're looking for one to get this thread rolling.
Considering that of the two ordained ministers I count as friends, one is openly gay, and hitched (at least as hitched as one legally can be in the UK) I wouldn't say the two issues are direclty related.
As for the CPC, of course they are all on about how different they are; they just got their asses hwipped. But anyone who thinks a slathering of lipstick on that pig is going last past the next election is kind of naive.
Is the one who is openly gay a catholic? Many of them are. And many are of course pedophiles. And I'm sorry to say that the ones who are neither are doing the ladies who are conveniently amongst them. Human nature ya know.
Christianity has everything to do with the non-acceptance of gays. Were you trying to suggest otherwise?
I just said so. Yes.
That is to say, if you want to use this as a foil, feel free. But let's not pretend there isn't a strong lobby within churches (and not just reform churches) that also favours marriage equality.
Amen to that,brother.
WTF is this garbage. What has pedophilia have to do with being gay or belonging to any religion.
There are many Xians and churches who do not share the bigotry of the fundamentalist Evangelical's. The Rev. Brian Burke from the United Church married me and my wife because he was a close friend since he is Bill Siksay's life partner. Bill now works as Administrative Assistant to the Anglican Bishop of New Westminster and he will also serves as Administrative Assistant to the Executive Archdeacon. Those are two mainstream Xian churches that support diversity.
Unfortunately that is exactly how Trudeau got elected.
You should have paid more attention to my comments. Is started with referring to the US and how it's the Christians (evangelicals in that case) that are the most opposed to gay rights. And really, the right is most representative of sky fairy beliefs than the left ever was.
I grant you, some Christians are coming on board but it's not been an easy fight and they've come along kicking and screaming.
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To reiterate, what has pedophilia got to do with being gay or belonging to any religion.
And I repeat, we hear lots about catholic pedophiles diddling littel boys but nothing about them diddling little boys. You deal with it, it's your cross to bear by the sounds of it. As for pedophilia having something to do with religion? Well kropotkin, ducks swim, and priests, uh you know, .............
What's the monty the T? Is that going to start now? If so then I'm pretty good at it too. I would prefer not though.
You didn't answer the question? You seemed to be conflating gays and pedophiles and since you have not responded to it I presume you meant it that way. Like many trolls (not that you fit the moderators definition for this board) you like to fight strawmen and not discuss what is actually posted.
What exactly do you think my cross to bear is? Do you think I don't know anything about pedophila in the Catholic Church?
Seriously? Linking homosexuality with pedophilia. Ban this loser already.
monty1: you might want to spend a wee bit of time exploring other people's posting history (and information they may have chosen to divulge about themselves) before you start spreading stuff on thick with your brush. Also, in reference to tone, I loves me a good roasting of Christians over their role in debates of matters of concern to the LGBT communities... (and it doesn't matter if they are Catholics, born-agains or NALTs) - but it should take place in context. Like many, I think the problem is manifest in all the theisms (poly and mono) and just because I use most of my powder firing at the locally dominant theism doesn't blind me to what is going on in non-local areas. But the OP is making reference to a political party, not a church.
In any case, welcome to the board, nice to see someone jumping in with both feet - just be careful with what splashes up... it helps to know how deep the water is before you jump in.
Its okay I think his hot air will keep him afloat.
Thank you bagkitty, and I would just like to suggest to you that the title of the thread is a misnomer. The CPC are the antithesis of communism and they hate communists. I would suggest changing the title to: Rona Ambrose about to de-Nazify the CPC?
That would make it more politically correct. Just a suggestion though.
Flagged as contary to bable policy. Would be great if you could hkeep the homophobic remarks out of the LGBT forum, Monty. There's no link between being gay and sexually abusing children.
I disagree but will respect your wishes and I won't argue the point here. Thanks for you participation.
It's not my wishes Monty, it's the terms that you agreed to when you signed up for babble. No homophobic remarks permitted, and certainly not in the LGBT forum. If you disagree, there's plenty of online spaces where you can be as homophobia as you like. Most of the internet, actually.
I hear you and have nothing more to say in public. Thanks for your attention to the issue. I'll p.m. you with my further reply.
[In my Old Man cardigan holding a cat]
The Nazi comparison would have been trite. There is no equivalent of the XXth party congress in the NSDAP history (de-nazification being something imposed by the victors, not arising from within the party itself), so the title you are suggesting would have lacked the mordant quality of the original. I will go out on a limb here and assert that I probably have (if for no other reason than my age) more experience as a gay male dealing with Stalinist parties (and their offshoots) and their handling of "the gay issue" and consequently will claim that my authority in this matter is not completely erroneous -- the original title is clever with just a faint dusting of schadenfreude, the alternative you are suggesting... not so much. Of course if you want an even more authoritative take on this, you can always contact Gilles Duceppe to see if he has kept back issues of The Forge/La Forge and you can follow the twists and turns yourself.
[/In my Old Man cardigan holding a cat]
@Voice of the damned: thanks for jumping in. You were posting at the same time I was composing the comment that appears immediately below yours. I was actually referencing the implosion of Worker's Communist Party (WCP) here in Canada... while not a member myself (although they did try to recruit me... the "gay" thing being the stumbling block) I had really good seats watching the unfolding drama of "scientific socialism" running headlong into the emergent reality of the gay rights movement (outdated terminology to be sure, but those were the labels we were using at the time).
I guess I may have been indulging myself a little by making the analogy I did when sharing the linked story... but I couldn't resist, it was just too damn funny.
Homosexuality was condemned by virtually everybody until about the last 40 or 50 years. And it's not a political thing as much as it's an uneducated view that condemns gays. Unfortuanately, in the US deep south it runs rampant and so one can look at what those people have in common with homophobia.
Christianity or Conservatism or something else.