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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau

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Sean in Ottawa
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Trust in government dropping at remarkable rates since Trudeau got elected.

The centre cannot hold: Canada faces a populist eruption

http://ipolitics.ca/2017/02/14/the-centre-cannot-hold-canada-faces-a-pop...

This phenomenon is not al Trudeau's fault of course -- some distrust is leaking across the border as part of the culture.

But Trudeau with his high expectations has done a lot of damage himself. High profile breaches of promises threaten every part of his electoral coalition of youth, environmentalists, Indigenous, among others.

It is getting very difficult already, just a year and a half in to imagine Trudeau winning the next election. He is holding a small lead with both opposition parties yet to pick a leader. Both should improve at least slightly which would put Trudeau in second place. The scramble for NDP votes may die on the pyre of his electoral reform promises.

I think Trudeau is now heading toward more likely being defeated than re-elected. And we are not far from that now.

Add to this a rise in reactionary right wing populists, Trudeau's deceptions and breaches of faith will serve as the ultimate in voter suppression.


josh
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I think Trudeau is now heading toward more likely being defeated than re-elected. And we are not far from that now.

Add to this a rise in reactionary right wing populists, Trudeau's deceptions and breaches of faith will serve as the ultimate in voter suppression. 

 

I think it's rather premature to conclude that about Trudeau.  It also remains to be seen how much of a rise there is in right wing populism.


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josh wrote:

I think Trudeau is now heading toward more likely being defeated than re-elected. And we are not far from that now.

Add to this a rise in reactionary right wing populists, Trudeau's deceptions and breaches of faith will serve as the ultimate in voter suppression. 

 

I think it's rather premature to conclude that about Trudeau.  It also remains to be seen how much of a rise there is in right wing populism.

Even in the US, the rise in right-wing populism wasn't enough to give Trump a majority of the popular vote in what was basically a two-way race. Granted, you can't wholly extrapolate that into Canada, since the PM isn't elected directly. But still, I agree it might be premature to talk about right-wing populism as a surefire thing in Canada. To some degree, I think the media(established or otherwise) are just looking for easy-to-grasp patterns to keep the public in a state of excitement. (WILL TRUMPISM CROSS THE BORDER?? STAY TUNED!!) 

 


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quizzical wrote:

pondering i was speaking about last week end and the protests against  his stating no PR.

Hundreds of protesters is nothing. Most if not all were probably already NDP supporters. It is certainly not evidence that Trudeau will have trouble in 2019. All he needs to win is 30% to 40% of votes. As long as I get marijuana legalization I don't much care who wins in 2019 as long as it isn't the Conservatives. I think if the NDP had won in 2015 it would have destroyed any chance of them winning again for a generation. 


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Paladin1 wrote:

Pondering wrote:

 

Posters are still wildly underestimating Trudeau. His presentation has improved tremendously since the debates. He's got a rock solid team of advisors and marketers. They are politically astute and you can bet they are already planning for 2019. They know that the Conservatives are going to be going on and on about the deficit and the economy. Trudeau knows the NDP will angrily bring up every single broken promise especially electoral reform. The NDP will bristle with outrage.

Then Trudeau will win again despite the NDP pointing out all the lies. If Trudeau doesn't win, it will be the Conservatives.

If anything people are starting to realize just who Justin Trudeau is and where his loyalties lie.

His $1500 a seat Liberal parties where he initially lied about not talking business (and where it sounds like the real price was $4500 or more) which violated the Liberals driven rules on the matter (being conflict of interest).

His shady new years vacation that once again violated the law about the PM taking private aircraft which he just fucked off and said it's okay because they're old buddies (which he strangely won't talk about how many times he visited the island).

Recanting a pretty huge election platform promising to scrap the F35 project.

His blatent attempt to sell Canadian soldier lives to get a seat on the UN security council.

You mention the conservatives will go "on and on" about the budget, well ya??.  Maybe I'm not reading you right but you almost sound like it's blown out of purportion?  What are they projecting now, 2050 or more? Sorry but they really really fucked up the budget, there's no fluffing it off.

It is blown way out of proportion. Economists are saying Canada remains in good shape. The infrastructure and education deficits Harper and previous governments left us are/were far more serious and harmful to Canada's longterm well-being. Individual people go into debt for 30 to 50 years to buy a house. Doctors graduate 100K in debt. As long as you are getting value for money debt is not a bad thing. 

Harper ran deficits for a decade. 

As to people realizing who he is, check the polls, remember the election will be decided by people who will only pay attention the last week or so before an election. My certainty that he will win again isn't based on policy. It's based on the political astuteness of the Trudeau team and the knowledge that they already have a plan in place for 2019. Goodies will pour out in the year or months leading to the election. 


kropotkin1951
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Pondering wrote:

quizzical wrote:

pondering i was speaking about last week end and the protests against  his stating no PR.

Hundreds of protesters is nothing. Most if not all were probably already NDP supporters. It is certainly not evidence that Trudeau will have trouble in 2019. All he needs to win is 30% to 40% of votes. As long as I get marijuana legalization I don't much care who wins in 2019 as long as it isn't the Conservatives. I think if the NDP had won in 2015 it would have destroyed any chance of them winning again for a generation. 

Thanks for my LAUGH OF THE DAY. 

Trudeau will "legalize" pot alright and you won't be able to afford it and I won't buy it because it will be grown by Monsanto. The RCMP will stillbe chasing anyone who grows their own or has pot other than the government approved drug. But that is the Liberal way a win for the corporations and a win for the RCMP, what could be better.


Pondering
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kropotkin1951 wrote:

Thanks for my LAUGH OF THE DAY. 

Trudeau will "legalize" pot alright and you won't be able to afford it and I won't buy it because it will be grown by Monsanto. The RCMP will stillbe chasing anyone who grows their own or has pot other than the government approved drug. But that is the Liberal way a win for the corporations and a win for the RCMP, what could be better.

Pot is easier to grow than tomatoes. Neither police nor the RCMP will go after people growing for their own use or even for that of friends as long as it is just a few plants. I will definitely be growing. If they try to lock out experienced small growers the black market will flourish. The provinces will do a lot of the regulating. Some will be stricter than others. 


Sean in Ottawa
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josh wrote:

I think Trudeau is now heading toward more likely being defeated than re-elected. And we are not far from that now.

Add to this a rise in reactionary right wing populists, Trudeau's deceptions and breaches of faith will serve as the ultimate in voter suppression. 

 

I think it's rather premature to conclude that about Trudeau.  It also remains to be seen how much of a rise there is in right wing populism.

Note the words "heading towards"

https://www.hilltimes.com/2017/02/09/liberals-conservatives-tied-nationw...

There is a decline from the heady honeymoon days and the Liberals are polling now close to what they got in the election. The Trend from a year ago is significant and the Liberals do not have far to go down before they are not first.

As well both the NDP and the Conservatives cannot be expected to get dud leaders. If either one makes a mark the Liberals are in trouble.

The Liberals are losing support as well due to promises broken to the key parts of their electoral coalition.

So I think I am ok saying "heading towards"

 


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In the next election NDpers will be voting Liberal ro keep out the Cons.


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Donald Trump's strange handshake style and how Justin Trudeau beat it

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2017/feb/14/donald-trumps-stra...


Sean in Ottawa
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NorthReport wrote:

In the next election NDpers will be voting Liberal ro keep out the Cons.

They probably would have if the Liberals had not promised electoral reform precisely so they would not be blackmailed like this again. Having broken that promise, I think a good many New Democrats who might in the past have voted strategically will remember this when the Liberals do their slimey appeal. They might enjoy Trudeau having a litle karma for that proken promise.

I admit that I have never voted strategically for another party but I have considered it. I would never consider it again after this move of the Liberals. I am not alone.

Also, given the broken promise to Indigenous Canadians I can imagine that many who might have considered the Liberals now won't.

Environmentalists will remember broken promises.

Youth, who were promised electoral reform might not only not vote Liberals they may decide not to vote at all since Trudeau made such a mockery of his promises.

My prediction is that Trudeau will manage to reverse the improvement in sufferage and see a lower turnout at the polls than 2011.

I can't say who will win yet and nobody really can as it depends on too many unknowns including new leaders but the Liberals have sown their defeat -- it is now only a question of whether they, and the opposition will water it and let it come to fruition.

It is a common thing that when a government crosses the line with the voters they may not know until much later as they are still drunk on the optimism they encouraged before proving they were not going to deliver.

Canadians have to prepare for a Conservative government and will need to get ready to spank Liberal arrogance again. Hope it does not take too long and that the Conservatives do not rule long.


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Inoculate Corporate Canada From Trump's Economic Agenda, Manley Urges Trudeau

https://t.co/AjG41gsayW

What a great excuse for Canada's Big Business Lobby to extort even more...


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Canada's Corporate Elite Breathes a Sigh of Relief Following PM Trudeau's Official Visit to Washington  -  Intro by Roger Annis

https://newcoldwar.org/canadas-corporate-elite-breathes-sigh-relief-foll...

Canada is dispatching 200 soldiers to Ukraine in the latest rotation of troops who are training the Ukrainian military and paramilitary extremists to wage civil war in the east of that country. The training is conducted jointly with the US and British militaries.

Canada has simultaneously taken on the role of leading one of the four permanent 'combat' brigades that NATO is establishing at or near Russia's borders with eastern Europe. It is stepping up its military intervention in northern Iraq, conducted jointly with the US. Canada's government and military are also consulting with the US as to where, exactly, they could station a desired expeditionary brigade of 600 soldiers to Africa.

Against that backdrop, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau made his first official visit to Washington on February 13. The self-proclaimed 'feminist' prime minister left behind in Canada whatever opinion he might have about Donald Trump's views and policies on global warming, the rights of immigrants and refugees, women's rights and other matters.

Trudeau's sole concern was to maintain and possibly enhance the lucrative trade between the US and Canada in all manner of manufactured products and natural resource commodities. The Canada-US trading relationship is the second largest in the world, topped only by US-China trade.

By that measure, Trudeau's visit was an unqualified success. His message on behalf of corporate Canada of unceasing fealty to the US empire, whoever may be leading it, was understood and well received. A Globe and Mail columnist called Trudeau's performance 'appeasement.'..."


blairz
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If the Consevatives go the way of the GOP then Trudeau is probably safe. If however the party backs away from the racist nativism of Leitch and stresses the eco mic record of Liberals both nationally and in Ontario then we are headed to a hung election.

 


blairz
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Sorry, keyboard is funky, the economic record of the libs.


Pondering
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blairz wrote:

If the Consevatives go the way of the GOP then Trudeau is probably safe. If however the party backs away from the racist nativism of Leitch and stresses the eco mic record of Liberals both nationally and in Ontario then we are headed to a hung election.

Trudeau has the support of economists worldwide. He is also going to use CETA. 2018 and 2019 will see the roll out of all kinds of goodies to all constituencies.

In current polls O'Leary does well against Trudeau, although Trudeau keeps the lead. Come election time Trudeau will fight back and make O'Leary look like the bombastic cartoon that he is.


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