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Young workers hold Trudeau to account
Young workers hold Trudeau to account
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Submitted by Unionist on October 25, 2016 - 4:32pm.
Justin Trudeau gets rough ride from crowd at young workers' summit
The Canadian Labour Congress needs to decide: "Which side are you on?"
Today's young workers will save us all.
Submitted by sherpa-finn on October 25, 2016 - 7:00pm.
Great line from one participant: "I am disappointed that they felt they could bring the prime minister to this event and expect a group of young workers who they've spent the last two days telling us to be empowered, telling us to stand up, telling us to speak truth to power," said Jessica Sikora. "Then they put power in front of us and they expect us to sit quietly? That was never in the cards."
Submitted by lagatta on October 26, 2016 - 5:15am.
That is wonderful news. And no, the young workers don't "hate" Trudeau. If you are in power, you have to expect protests.
Submitted by mark_alfred on October 26, 2016 - 10:26am.
Good to see. For the longest time people were reticent to raise even a peep of a criticism against the Liberals. And that wasn't good. Governments need feedback from people or they lose touch. Trudeau and Morneau stating that a precarious substandard work life is all that people should accept from now on deserves a strong response. And Trudeau declaring that he's so popular it doesn't matter if he breaks a central promise of his campaign (electoral reform -- 2015 being the last election under FPTP) is another sign of a government losing touch. So good for the youth. It's a positive development that they're beginning to speak up.
Submitted by Unionist on October 26, 2016 - 12:45pm.
lagatta wrote:
And no, the young workers don't "hate" Trudeau.
Who said they "hate" Trudeau? You just seem to be responding to something, but I can't find where it is.
Submitted by lagatta on October 26, 2016 - 12:49pm.
Did Trudeau and Morneau actually say that? I know that is what they think, or rather that they don't give a shit about "common people", but what did they actually say to that effect?
That sounds more like the stuff Couillard, Leitao and Barrette are in the habit of saying out loud, here...
I wasn't responding to anyone on this thread, but to a blogger who accused me of being a "hater" and "hating" Trudeau. Many born-again Liberals are insinuating things like that about anyone who dares criticise Justin.
Submitted by Unionist on October 26, 2016 - 1:23pm.
lagatta wrote:
Did Trudeau and Morneau actually say that? I know that is what they think, or rather that they don't give a shit about "common people", but what did they actually say to that effect?
Here's the horrendous crap that Millionaire Morneau said on Saturday about how young people had better get used to having shitty jobs, shitty lives, and shitty pensions:
Get used to multiple careers, finance minister says
lagatta wrote:
I wasn't responding to anyone on this thread, but to a blogger who accused me of being a "hater" and "hating" Trudeau. Many born-again Liberals are insinuating things like that about anyone who dares criticise Justin.
Ok, thanks - I just couldn't figure out who or what you were responding to - got it now!
Submitted by lagatta on October 26, 2016 - 4:01pm.
Yes, that isn't a polyester suit from Moores, or whatever that cheap menswear shop is called...
I thought the Libs were attempting to avoid such direct language about their nefarious plans. "Job churn" sounds particularly awful, like being run through a washing machine.
Submitted by iyraste1313 on October 26, 2016 - 6:33pm.
¨And Trudeau declaring that he's so popular it doesn't matter if he breaks a central promise of his campaign (electoral reform -- 2015 being the last election under FPTP) is another sign of a government losing touch....¨
...if in fact it can be demonstrated that this Liberal Government is systematically violating its campaign promises, that its promises were nothing more than rhetoric to win the election campaign, that there never was intention to carry through?
And systematically, by which I mean a majority of its promises?
Then I suggest that there are sufficient grounds under Sections 1 and 3 of the Charter to force the Government either to follow through on its campaign promises or resign!
Submitted by josh on October 26, 2016 - 7:00pm.
Trudeau and Morneau are channeling the Thatcher "there is no alternative" mentality. We just have to accept job insecurity and lack of pensions because that is what the "market" has commanded. Government, through public policy, can't change it so it shouldn't even try. You'd figure that's something the NDP would jump on them about. But that's another issue.
Submitted by lagatta on October 26, 2016 - 7:21pm.
Yes, although the NDP has been involved in the fight for 15 demos and movement, it is certainly something we can challenge. Especially with a chief who had a strange admiration for Mrs Thatcher.
Submitted by ikosmos on October 26, 2016 - 9:03pm.
lagatta wrote:
Yes, although the NDP has been involved in the fight for 15 demos and movement, it is certainly something we can challenge. Especially with a chief who had a strange admiration for Mrs Thatcher.
There's nothing strange about an idolater of neo-liberalism expressing glowing admiration for one of the founders of that misanthropic ideology.
What is very strange is that Canadians can't seen to vote in many MPs who don't share these social neaderthal views.
Submitted by Ken Burch on October 26, 2016 - 11:49pm.
lagatta wrote:
Yes, although the NDP has been involved in the fight for 15 demos and movement, it is certainly something we can challenge. Especially with a chief who had a strange admiration for Mrs Thatcher.
Lagatta, could you check your pm's? I've just sent you one on an entirely different topic than this, and didn't want to say so in the thread involved. Thanks. Hope you are well.
And while I'm here, let's hear it for the young workers.
Submitted by mark_alfred on October 27, 2016 - 12:14am.
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Trudeau and Morneau are channeling the Thatcher "there is no alternative" mentality. We just have to accept job insecurity and lack of pensions because that is what the "market" has commanded. Government, through public policy, can't change it so it shouldn't even try. You'd figure that's something the NDP would jump on them about. But that's another issue.
Fascinating how some here constantly desire to turn threads about Liberal misdeeds into criticism of the NDP. What's with that? Do people not know how to use Duckduckgo (or Google, if you prefer)? Or check the NDP site? Or the Hansard?
http://www.ndp.ca/news/liberals-must-act-precarious-work-millenials
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Today in Question Period, NDP Jobs Critic Niki Ashton (Churchill-Keewatinook Aski) invited Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to hear directly from young people at a national forum organized by Ashton on the rise of precarious work in the millennial generation.
“Precarious work is not a fact of life. New Democrats do not accept that temporary jobs, involuntary part-time or freelance work, continuous contract positions, unpaid internships, or jobs with no benefits, workplace pension, or jobs security is a reality that we need to resign ourselves to,” stated Ashton. “What I heard loud and clear is the reality for young people is becoming increasingly grim. We can and must do better for Canadian youth.”
This will be the first forum of its kind on Parliament Hill where Millennial leaders and their allies will be coming together from across the country to identify what action they need to federal government to take to have a more secure future.
Great idea. Trudeau can either show up and really hear from people, or cowardly avoid it. Either way, it keeps the issue in the spotlight and empowers people to share their experiences and their ideas.
Submitted by lagatta on October 27, 2016 - 7:26pm.
Ken, I got your message and will respond.
More on these inspiring protests: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-trudeau-protests-youth-students-... In the meantime, here in Québec, there is an equally inspiring of young women (and male allies) against sexual assault and the culture of machist entitlement. I'll start a post on that unless someone else here beats me to it (I've been very busy).
As I said, not all agree with the young workers' protest: http://montrealsimon.blogspot.ca/2016/10/justin-trudeau-and-farcical-you...
I can't see any of these young worker-activists having any sympathy or nostalgia for the HarperCons.
By the way, that gets a lot worse with the responses to comments, accusing non-Trudeau lovers of being homophobes (?), closet cons, supporters of the Cons and "enemies, not freinds". Very disturbing.
Submitted by montrealer58 on October 27, 2016 - 7:19am.
It may be up to the millennials to provide a new basis for opposition to the Liberals on the left.
Submitted by lagatta on October 27, 2016 - 7:39am.
I don't particularly believe in "generational" analysis, but it is evident that a new cohort that has not become discouraged is a key factor in social movements. This is the case in the labour movement, the women's movement, and also movements such as Idle No More.
Submitted by cco on October 27, 2016 - 10:46am.
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Today in Question Period, NDP Jobs Critic Niki Ashton (Churchill-Keewatinook Aski) invited Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to hear directly from young people at a national forum organized by Ashton on the rise of precarious work in the millennial generation.
I was there. Good attendance, great discussion, sadly completely unnoticed by the media, despite being held in the Macdonald building directly across the street from Parliament Hill. I also got a chance to speak briefly with Robert Fox, and left mildly optimistic that he's willing to listen to the membership. The Section QC convention starts tomorrow, so we'll see.
Submitted by epaulo13 on October 27, 2016 - 7:16pm.
Thursday October 27 2016
At the recent Young Workers Summit organized by the Canadian Labour Congress, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau answered questions from young trade unionists. Many of the young workers protested the presence of the Prime Minister, demanding that he keep his promises, and turning their backs to the stage while he spoke.
At this event, Mr. Trudeau made some remarks about Canada Post that need to be addressed. The Prime Minister said, "… we believe in the open bargaining process as was evidenced by Canada Post for example. The government did not land on one side or the other. We forced the two parties to stay at the table and they were able to work out a deal."
I would like to be absolutely clear: The Liberals did not force us to do anything.
We stayed at the table, because our aim was to negotiate collective agreements. The bargaining process includes the right to walk away from the table and walk off the job.
No Prime Minister or government can force us to do anything.
In Solidarity,
Mike PalecekNational President
Submitted by Aristotleded24 on October 27, 2016 - 7:29pm.
sherpa-finn wrote:
Great line from one participant: "I am disappointed that they felt they could bring the prime minister to this event and expect a group of young workers who they've spent the last two days telling us to be empowered, telling us to stand up, telling us to speak truth to power," said Jessica Sikora. "Then they put power in front of us and they expect us to sit quietly? That was never in the cards."
LOL!
Submitted by Pondering on October 27, 2016 - 9:57pm.
mark_alfred wrote:
Quote:Trudeau and Morneau are channeling the Thatcher "there is no alternative" mentality. We just have to accept job insecurity and lack of pensions because that is what the "market" has commanded. Government, through public policy, can't change it so it shouldn't even try. You'd figure that's something the NDP would jump on them about. But that's another issue.Fascinating how some here constantly desire to turn threads about Liberal misdeeds into criticism of the NDP. What's with that? Do people not know how to use Duckduckgo (or Google, if you prefer)? Or check the NDP site? Or the Hansard?
http://www.ndp.ca/news/liberals-must-act-precarious-work-millenials
Quote:Today in Question Period, NDP Jobs Critic Niki Ashton (Churchill-Keewatinook Aski) invited Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to hear directly from young people at a national forum organized by Ashton on the rise of precarious work in the millennial generation.
“Precarious work is not a fact of life. New Democrats do not accept that temporary jobs, involuntary part-time or freelance work, continuous contract positions, unpaid internships, or jobs with no benefits, workplace pension, or jobs security is a reality that we need to resign ourselves to,” stated Ashton. “What I heard loud and clear is the reality for young people is becoming increasingly grim. We can and must do better for Canadian youth.”
This will be the first forum of its kind on Parliament Hill where Millennial leaders and their allies will be coming together from across the country to identify what action they need to federal government to take to have a more secure future.
Great idea. Trudeau can either show up and really hear from people, or cowardly avoid it. Either way, it keeps the issue in the spotlight and empowers people to share their experiences and their ideas.
This is the first I have heard of Niki's plan for a national forum. What's the date? I assume it's for all youth not just NDP youth? Where will it be held? Will there be multiple locations?
A forum can't hurt but there is no need to "hear the reality". There is no mystery. The numbers are all well known. What's needed is solutions.
The problem is in trade deals like CETA and labour laws including temporary foreign workers. Education is another area that has to be redesigned to suit the realities of "job churn". Shorter work weeks would increase employment and create better work/life balance.
If the NDP wants to win the youth vote they will have to do a lot better than pointing fingers.
Submitted by quizzical on October 27, 2016 - 11:46pm.
lolololol
i made an amazing stir fry for dinner
Submitted by mark_alfred on October 28, 2016 - 12:11am.
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As I said, not all agree with the young workers' protest: http://montrealsimon.blogspot.ca/2016/10/justin-trudeau-and-farcical-you...
Craig Scott as well was critical. He felt that since there was an open mic to ask questions, that it didn't make sense for people to turn their backs on Trudeau. I don't agree. Sometimes actions speak louder than words. Obviously the protesters felt that their words wouldn't be heard anyway, and thus decided to just express their disgust.
Submitted by mark_alfred on October 28, 2016 - 12:34am.
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This is the first I have heard of Niki's plan for a national forum.
I think the announcements have mostly been through twitter, facebook and email. The forum has already happened. There were quite a few good activists there. The keynote speaker was Nora Loreto. Other speakers were Bilan Arte (Canadian Federation of Students), Gilary Massa (Childcare activist), Chuk Plante (McGill University, University of Saskatchewan), Nil Sendil (Workers Action Centre), Jacob Schweda (Canadian Interns Association), Jennifer Glassco & Lina Holguin (OXFAM-Quebec). There's more information and videos at the link:
http://nikiashton.ndp.ca/watch-the-forum
Submitted by Aristotleded24 on October 28, 2016 - 10:20am.
I do agree with Morneau in one sense. I believe it would be a good idea for him to start considering changing his career to something other than the Minister of Finance. Win-win for him and for the country.
Submitted by Unionist on October 28, 2016 - 11:05am.
mark_alfred wrote:
Craig Scott as well was critical. He felt that since there was an open mic to ask questions, that it didn't make sense for people to turn their backs on Trudeau.
Ah yes, Craig Scott, upholding the fine tradition of Jack Layton - respect the politicians, scold undisciplined young activists.
Submitted by Pondering on October 28, 2016 - 1:24pm.
They were right to turn their backs. What questions are left when it's announced they can expect precarious work for the rest of their lives?
If the NDP starts opposing neoliberalism they could easily pick up the youth vote.
Submitted by mark_alfred on October 28, 2016 - 1:53pm.
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They were right to turn their backs. What questions are left when it's announced they can expect precarious work for the rest of their lives?
If the NDP starts opposing neoliberalism they could easily pick up the youth vote.
Yes, the NDP should stop announcing that youth can simply expect precarious work for the rest of their lives.
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